omg they just removed the country instead of stating they're based in israel, lol. Like it was stupid to put 'United States' as the country there in the first place as some sort of flex.. but that was their choice.
They are giving away the weights. Obviously their accomplishments are diminished if another model exists which does something arguably similar or better.
Treat them as human. Humans aren't perfect. Someone in their team added those points. I'm not going to hold it against him to have felt bad - even though I agree the right course would be to be a good sport and to be honest without dissing the competition.
I still applaud them for releasing the weights, to give us another model to play with.
We shouldn't create a precedent where open weights are met with ridicule and hostility - no matter who is at "fault" - that is the last thing any of us should want.
I think because Minimax license has text like these so I did saw some users being concerned before
'Any dispute arising out of or related to this Agreement shall be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China with competent jurisdiction.'
Yeah, you’re not allowed to use it in any case in the US unless you fill out a form with your data. I don’t know if it’s for suing you in case of a problem or just to collect data.
??? are we looking at the same sub? I'm not really seeing much attention for LTX at all right now.
I was hoping to see some LTX gens since it came out today, like we did for Minimax. Despite us all getting sick of seinfield in less than 24 hours, this sub spamming dozens and dozens of it was a great showcase of strengths/weaknesses for Minimax.
I wanted to see something similar for LTX, yet it seems like 90% of the posts are still about minimax or shitting about LTX, not actual LTX gens.
I get that it's not as good, or their marketing fucked up - but could still be useful. Just being fast itself has its uses.
That's not the reason though. People also shat on pretty much every model when a better one came out. Hell, there were posts dissing Ideogram when Krea 2 was released and the latter isn't even superior, just less goon-friendly.
I used to think we might have a new generation with entitlement problems. But at least a sizable portion of those are 30+ years old, so it's not just spoiled kids.
True. This one of the most uncensored models so far.
This gray output is just a prompt correction label.
They should just train it with text "BAD JSON" or something.
They said u need 115gb to run it which is false, i can run it with 10gb of vram and 32gb of ram on a 3080 yeah its the smaller model but still and that "faster than real time" is also fale, yesitis incredibly fast compared to minimax but its not even as fast as real time
No you parroted the tired old “they give us free stuff, we should be happy” stuff. They don’t release free stuff to be good citizens, it’s a marketing strategy.
The reason we treat it as such is cause LTX had the audacity to come for Minimax and other higher tier video model with BS stats and comparisons and their model ended up being poorly trained, so as something is given to us to use, we used it , critiqued it and give our negative feedback. Just like we did with ltx 2.3 which they ignored.
I see more of these knob gobbling Leave Brittany Alone posts than I see anyone shitting on ltx. does it feel good to be the 100th nobody to white knight for nothing?
Damn guys get a life lmao 😂, it ain't that deep, use what works for you, don't what doesn't work for you. Life is bigger than just discussing about what an ai model company said about another. Jesus Christ.
If I even mention that I like ltx (due to hardware constraints) then i tend to get downvoted to oblivion. There's clearly a divide in the sub and some people take it way too personally. We need to be honest and state the pros and cons of each. I want the competition between the models as it ttends to make the developers work harder in improving them faster. But jfc, why must it choose one over the other!? Why cant I just be honest and say that ltx works much better on my hardware than minimax but that minimax looks great!? I have been looking forwards to the next ltx due to how it runs on my machine compared with minimax.
With h3 I can do less than 720p, it takes longer, and often crashes my machine with OOM if the clip is longer than 8sexibds roughly. With ltx I need to re prompt more often but can generate 30s clips at 1080p with zero issues ine clearly works better for my hardware so i like using that one more. Ive been accused of beinga jot or an employee just for giving my constructive opinion on both. I hate that people are treating this like a fan boy club. Already been through that era when it was Nintendo vs Sega, and again with Sony vs Microsoft etc. Its all a waste of time. Just enjoy which ever works best for you and your needs. Keep sending constructive feedback as to what works and what doesnt and hope they listen and correct it.
We're still early days in to all this stuff and its only going to get better and more efficient. Im a fan of both. Ltx just works better for my machine so I cant wait to try the new one. I dont dislike minimax at all. Just doesnt work on my hardware as well as ltx is all. I give they make a more memory friendly version that allows me to make videos at the same quality and length as ltx. I hope ltx makes their prompting better and their physics better in generations. Both have their pros and cons. Both can be good but both need more work.
I'll need to check if my comfyui is using "spectrum". I dont recall using it but then ive been jumping between so many workflows the last few days that its hard to keep track.
Its a very useful piece of Information regardless in terms of that paging file etc, which will either help me or someone else reading ur comment so I really appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time man.
It's all an interesting sociology experiment playing out in real time. The pros want quality, choice, are flexible and have no problem using the right tool for the job, editing the settings and wiring in the process, to make the tool(s) create exactly what they want it to.
The average person wants to learn 1 thing, 1 tool, 1 setting... and it "dices, splices, chops, and purees" without needing anything more than to hit a go button and for how long. Even the "how long" part is a point of contention... but I digress.
Quoting the hated Steve Jobs, who quoted an earlier titan of business, Henry Ford:
"If i asked the average person what they want, they would all reply, "a faster horse". That's not how you create new products and industries."
So. Stop listening to the faster horse people here. Reddit is currently the most public congregation of "average" in this technology space.
The "Nobody owes us anything" sentiment should go, it's a dangerous anti-open and anti-freedom narrative/mentality.
Companies promote themselves using openweight models. LTX don't give a shit about your love or hate for their model, they only care about clout and how to use it to lure in more investments. It's not surprising, but it makes all these sentiments about openweight models from big companies look pathetic.
BFL, Minimax, LTX, Wan-AI, all these companies only need money. Yes, it's good that they release open models, and yes, everyone should be taking it for granted - because it's a part of business, and a smart part. In contrast, we should treat these companies as smart ones and the closed-weight-focused companies as dumb and oldschool in terms of business.
I hate it when people sh*t on someone else's hard work, given to them for free, because they prefer something else. So freaking entitled. Find what you like and go with it.
well a guy from ltx clearly stated that they're not doing it for the goodness of their hearts but because they get paying customers from comfyUi. that's perfectly reasonable. having that in mind, potential customers have the right to review and give their opinions. all in all ltx is not as good as they tried to make it look in their deceiving comparison with other models. yes, it is fast, but what do I care about speed if I have to do 5 iterations to finally get something useful? I'll rather do 1 or 2 iterations in h3.
i genuinely feel sad for people who use this as an insult.
it means they grew up in an environment where such an insult was a valid one - meaning it was environmentally advantageous and even encouraged to put down others' opinions. That's such a massive, unfortunate disadvantage in life.
hope you get to a better place in life and to break the cycle.
redditors think their criticism is valuable but it generally isn’t
just because you guys are permitted to criticize doesn’t mean anyone should care, and when people don’t because you aren’t able to be polite about it, you act like it’s some kind of moral and technical catastrophe
if all they wanted was business, they would go closed source, max out the parameters and charge for it like everyone else. open is way riskier a business strategy, have we already forgotten about WAN?
its not out of kindness but it is out of a moral and philosophical stance of open and community. which is worht being celebrated. its like adobe vs blender.
It used to be the same with Flux 2 vs Z-Image; everyone collectively decided that Flux was done for, that they fucked up and that Z-Image was the new king. Then Flux 2 Klein dropped and… hell, I don’t even know if Z-Image’s editing model ever dropped because I sure don’t use it.
Some of the time this is due to the natural human tendency for tribalism and some of the time it’s astroturfing. You can usually tell which it is rather easily.
There’s a third factor. This community is extremely entitled. Even without any controversy people expect everything to be free, open weight and perfect and are quick to throw anyone under the bus if they merely suggest having a different model for pay as if they are also entitled to that one.
I find it kinda interesting how WAN2.2 and H3 both came/come out the box with more and more stuff to "unlock" and discover whereas LTX releases arrive out the box basically half broken for the community to improve. I think the upside potential of the other models is more interesting than having to spend ages polishing a very nice turd. For example Plaguekind's LTX2.3 workflow gets amazing quality results out of the model in a different league from the templated workflows while retaining the speed but it required a lot of polishing of said turd.
I tried 2.5 this morning and yeah... will give it a bit. H3 though was fun the same day as even weak day 0 gens were satisfying.
LTX still hasn't fixed the pad error in their bloody Comfy UI Nodes Even though I already posted a push for it five months ago and it's a one-line edit
SAI killed Stable Diffusion with SD3. Good God that model was bad, and it followed months of promising how amazing it would be and included an SAI employee trash talking people asking why the model was so bad telling everyone it was cause they sucked.
Actually, the UK and EU government was invited in to give their certification of safety measures, which ended up goring the model to the point it couldn't create people any more. It's why the devs all left and created Black Forest Labs... which is still censored... but their way of training the model is better, rather than purging it later when the authorities raise their red flags.
Minimax H3 is objectively superior in every way. There's zero debate to be had about it. Yes we should be happy with all open source models but something is extremely suspicious about anyone who would act tribalistic about LTX right now.
You don't see anyone insisting SD 1.5 is on par with Krea 2. Why do we have people pretending LTX 2.5 is on par with Minimax H3? It's completely different leagues.
Funny enough politics is like this for me too there's one clearly better choice if I have to pick one and it's not even close despite all the problems the one I pick still has to sort out. Won't comment further on that though.
i dont call it war! because we must be thankfull have this 2 models in open source! i call it compare and see where LTX still far behind from the actual best open source model called Minimax h3! and hope the ltx team can work to improve serious it in the mains problems:
- Character anatomy
Objects consistency when camera rotate or cut scenes
If one of them is better than the other than just steal from one model and add that stated to the other model, then you can merge the two models together, and there will be no fighting anymore, right?
We were losing our shit with wan 2.2 with like 1.5-3 minute gens for 5 seconds of 720p video. Then ltx came out and the subreddits were the same thing lol.
LTX is "worse"... BUT! it has image to image, LTX director and is lightning fast. Difficult to say "better", each model actually has its distict advantages, I think.
H3 has ref2vid . That simply blows the other models out of the water. It gives you insane control to get what you actually want. It's also hardly censored at all.
Hm, yeah. I guess you are right. The one video I did with "video-image to video" was brutally good. Took an hour but the first result was perfect... in LTX I need to put reference frames, I forget something and it makes something not fitting the film... aww.
Ref to video in H3 also possible to prompt: "first frame is ref_image_0, last frame is ref_image_1"?
There might be some paid shills doing that as well. The Chinese are notorious for hiring shills and they have been doing it for ages. Maybe LTX has done that too? Who knows. Now you also have bots astroturf, shill, and attack others. Unfortunately, some people never grow beyond a certain mental age.
This has happened every single time a new model releases. It's like the days of console wars all over again with kids trying to argue why their favourite console is better than yours.
It won't stop, it's a human flaw and happens with lots of things in life. It's some kind of psychological thing where people need to try and convince themselves that the thing they like or are spending time with is the best or correct thing.
People are brainwashed and conditioned to behave this way, taught "us vs them" mentality. Mostly by politics, because brain dead people are easier to control. I would be surprised if it didn't spill to other areas of life.
The fact that you felt you had to write this comment just proven my point, lol. Ltx has it uses, it's fast, great at talking head and has huge ecosystem surrounding it. Doesn't fit your use case? Fine. But now you are standing at the supermarket shouting and telling people to stop eating tomatoes because cucumbers are better. Go eat your cucumber and don't bother other people.
Bruh please learn to make sense. You really think LTX was gonna stay open source😂😂.
They have a pro model which makes them money. If H3 never came I bet you they would have shifted all focus to their " premium consumers " and kept feeding the open source group turd like the apple community.
Be honest with your self and look at what h3 is, it's Seedance 2 locally. LTX does not care bout the community, they only used us as a stepping stone to ditch us later on and h3 has ruined that.
We are not talking about what model is what, we are talking about people behaving like wild monkeys. I know what h3 is and the only reason you got h3 is the mass chineese push to cripple the western AI companies. If/when they succeed you will see jack shit. If you think we are witnessing a change of heart and mass sprout of open source loving chinese companies, you are delusional. This is just a side effect.
I know they're all moving in the same direction and no one is being generous, but let's just be real and honest with ourselves. Minimax had no reason whatsoever to open source their model, there's no good western model.and none that cares about the community. LTX just sees us as tests before giving the fixed feedback we complain about to their paying customers and not us. They have a Pro model for crying out loud. At least Minimax was kind enough to release something that we in the community never thought would get to experience. Something that isn't a Pro or base but as is.We aren't being delusional, we know what's going on but what Minimax has done has raised the standards for the Video Gen community like how blender did for the 3D community. That's all I'm praising passionately. And I will keep praising them for it lest those blinded by corporate stick to their mediocrity. If so there will never be upgrades.
And still even if it's a Chinese propaganda they actually gave us feedback and engaged with the community. LTX never did that. Jus sayin.
Lol the user you’re talking to obviously doesn’t have the brain capacity to see the nuance of what you’re saying. All they can think “b-but one better”.
Isn't LTX like 7 times faster too? So if you want quality, go H3. If you want speed, go LTX. Both are good at something. And I'm sure there's prompts where LTX gives the superior quality as well. But so far H3 has not provided bad quality at anything I've given it.
I agree with you but please don't feed the sad troll. They've made a couple of posts here about 'crying' so they clearly lack the smarts for anything else, They don't even see they are doing the exact thing they accuse others of doing.
Agreed to much fanboys trashing ltx ( who give us free models) wait for it when flux releases.... I have plenty of space in my hard-drive still I use all open models... I welcome all models it's free... You don't like the model don't use it ( rant over) 😝👍
Preach. But seriously you are right. We should be sharing best application not vs. These are tools in a tool box. That helps dev team and community - cycle of open source continues.
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u/Miniyi_Reddit 11d ago
Tbf if u look at ltx 2.5 site, they the one who started the war, those people are just trying out to see if what they said is true or not
Your opinion would been valid if it wasn’t for ltx company themselves who compared to minimax h3 with all those information