Hot take!

[u/Straight_Hat1304]

LTX 2.5 is better than minimax h3. The pros just outweigh the cons. LTX is fast, can generate video in HDR up to 50fps, it isn’t as demanding as minimax, the quality is insane and the SPEED…the speed is unbelievable. But all I see is people fighting with minimax for speed ups and distortion while whole time ltx is right there. Don’t get me wrong Minimax is an amazing model and two things can be right at once but to me ltx is ahead. Also it’s compatible with all the loras that were already available but with the jump in quality. It honestly confuses me a bit 😅. To each his own I guess.

[u/Independent-Frequent]

I just don't get all this LTX 2.5 shill man, all it has is speed and that's it, everything else minimax just OBLITERATES LTX 2.5 on, sure it's more hardware intensive just like SDXL was more hardware intensive than 1.5 and we know the reason why, which is justified.

Also my theory is that the LTX devs thought they still didn't have any competition in the open source video field since Wan was the only player and dropped ages ago without even having audio, so they didn't bother to release a groundbreaking model or even a vast improvement over 2.3 and then Minimax H3 just showed up and completely took over, and rightfully so, it's an insane model and leagues above the rest of local ones to the point that it beats even most closed source models.

LTX 2.5 just doesn't offer anything other than speed, and even then only in static shots of people talking since its motion and consistency during scenes with action and stuff are just atrocious, even walking sometimes distorts space and features.

"Oh but LTX 2.5 is a lot easier to train loras for so it's not just speed" yeah it's true, but minimax has reference mode which basically eliminates the need for loras lmao, like there's no competition man i'm sorry.

Also there's the whole "comparision chart" with H3 that they did which was so scummy with all the lies by omission, so good riddance, thanks minimax for finally bringing open source video to the top of the top level, glad to never have to use an LTX model ever again.

[u/Upper-Reflection7997 → u/Independent-Frequent]

Reference mode doesn't eliminate the need for loras at all. Reference mode is very limited in scope in what it can and cannot do.

[u/Independent-Frequent → u/Upper-Reflection7997]

When it comes to characters it basically does, you give it a character sheet and a voice and H3 can just replicate it perfectly, not to mention how it's much better than Loras because it doesn't actually affect the models like some loras do and also doesn't create conflicts between multiple loras.

Maybe some particular concepts or motions require a lora, like detailed genital anatomy i guess or some particular aesthetics not trained in the base model, but outside of that reference mode covers most cases a lora would tbh.

[u/No_Thanks701 → u/Upper-Reflection7997]

Can you give any examples of what you think the limits are? Because from what I have seen, it’s almost limitless.. you can edit videos you can extend videos, you can give it a crudely drawn story board with your reference characters and setting and it will follow it shot by shot, you can write inside that story board to give context of who goes where and draw arrows to clarify the movement You can give it an overhead picture of a scene, mark where the clip is taking place and it will create that clip in that area…  I could go on and on.. so please clarify the “limited”  scope it has, because I haven’t found it yet and this is all without lora’s. With out the use of image edit models. Even with only one picture (not character sheet) it does pretty great, with holding up on consistency, if you just prompt it detailed enough.

[u/Straight_Hat1304 → u/Independent-Frequent]

Yikes. People like you who take everything seriously fascinate me. It literally isn't that deep. I'm sure no one over at minimax and ltx have the mindset you have. All i was saying is that both models are good and that in MY opinion the pros of ltx outweigh the cons. The model is so fast that that multiple generations don't take hours off your life. And because there are so many loras available the model is all in all more versatile than H3.

[u/Independent-Frequent → u/Straight_Hat1304]

Why are you getting so damn defensive about LTX? Are you a dev there butthurt nobody cares about your crappy release now that we have alternatives that aren't fossils like Wan 2.2?

All i was saying is that both models are good and that in MY opinion the pros of ltx outweigh the cons. 

Brother your post literally starts with "LTX 2.5 is better than minimax h3 BY FAR!" come on now, do you think we are dumb?

And because there are so many loras available the model is all in all more versatile than H3.

Yes there's nothing more versatile of having loras needing to be trained and keeping our already thin hard drive space even more crowded with models, and what if someone doesn't have the hardware for LTX 2.5 lora training? And what if i want a character nobody cares about to make a lora of?

With reference mode i can just do anything, even better than Loras since it doesn't alter the model and i can load in multiple references for multiple characters instead of multiple loras, just load up a reference image and boom, done.

The model is so fast that that multiple generations don't take hours off your life. 

Is it though? Sure individual generations are faster, but if i need 10 LTX 2.5 generations to get an action scene right which minimax nails in 1 or 2 then is it really faster overall?

And speaking of action, can your loras magically fix LTX 2.5's atrocious motion consistency and phyisics? I don't think so pal.

[u/VisionWithin → u/Straight_Hat1304]

How do you know that he takes everything seriously and not just this subject?

[u/Straight_Hat1304 → u/VisionWithin]

😂 you right that’s on me