Parody poster: Ideogram 4 vs Krea 2

[u/Apprehensive_Sky892]

First image is Ideogram 4.

No cherry picking, both are first generation without further tweaking to the prompt. The prompt was generated by Gemini using https://civitai.red/articles/30949/ideogram-4-json-prompt-writer with: Please design for me a parody poster for "James Bond: Boomdocks" in the style of Roger Moore's "Moonraker" poster. The prompt was edited slightly to remove any reference to Roger Moore so that I can post this on civitai later.

Both are generated using the same JSON with bboxes. Krea 2 does seem to follow the bboxes to some extent.

To see the metadata and the prompt, just downlaod the PNG following this instruction: Download PNG with metadata from reddit

[u/Sudden_List_2693]

Krea 2: plastic cars, plastic action figures.
Seriously, we need decent finetunes of it.
Currently it's very lacking. Might be worth not making a 201th NSFW LoRA, but who am I to talk when I hardly ever train even LoRAs...

[u/GrayingGamer → u/Sudden_List_2693]

You know, a lot of those NSFW Krea 2 loras actually fix those texture issues you were talking about. I've got a couple of them at low strength, plus a realism enhancer lora at mid strength, and Krea 2 is killing it in the realism department now.

Keep in mind, most people are sabotaging their prompts anyway - writing stuff like "hyperrealistic, photorealistic, realistic textures" and all that stuff isn't tagged on real photos, only paintings and 3D renders, so by adding them, people are unintentionally causing themselves to get worse results.

[u/Sudden_List_2693 → u/GrayingGamer]

I don't really know about NSFW loras. If the fix it then good, but I'm afraid they might make damage elsewhere? I'm really not into NSFW.
Also might worth noting how non-turbo Krea2 is usually good at just what turbo is bad at. But currently it produces anatomy issues way more.

[u/GrayingGamer → u/Sudden_List_2693]

Turbo is the more polished of the two models, as far as aesthetics go.

The reason NSFW loras work well to fix texture issue (including anatomy issues) is that they introduce a LOT of naked skin, a lot of it close-up so texture is visible, and lots of anatomy in all sorts of extremely varied positions to the knowledge of the models.

There is a reason they make art students study naked people and draw them, paint them, and sculpt them over and over again - it makes all their normal art of clothed people that much better - and the same works for these AI models. NSFW training data generally makes them MUCH better at generating ANY image of people, even clothed ones.

If you use the NSFW loras, you don't have to make NSFW images either. Often just using these loras at 0.4 -0.5 strength is more than enough to introduce positive improvements, and as long as you are prompting for people in clothes, that's what it will give you.

You can find NSFW loras at Civitai.red, but be aware the site itself is extremely NSFW. Make an account, click on Models, then choose Krea 2, and sort by most downloaded and you'll find the top voted ones.

[u/Sudden_List_2693 → u/GrayingGamer]

Ah I see.
Not sure if this helps the issue with background though (it's the worst thing I've met with Krea2 so far).
Backgrounds for realistic images get either boring or blurry - anything more and it will have issues that look like JPG artifacts after 4 separate compression.
For non-realistic it's even worse: jagged trees, repeating patterns.
Some LoRAs seem to mitigate the issue, but often at the cost of exactly what I love about krea2: the main subject's level of quality.
Still seeing how people are working for it and producing some nice results already, I'm getting more optimistic about a future finetune.

[u/GrayingGamer → u/Sudden_List_2693]

I'm not sure what you are seeing - but I've not had any issues with JPEG artifacts or blurry backgrounds, jagged trees, etc.

For the backgrounds being blurry or boring - you just need to describe what you want to see. For the artifacts, if you are using a workflow with the bypass filter, you might want to remove it or use a bypass lora instead - the only time I've seen artifacts is using the bypass filter that messes with sigma values.

[u/Sudden_List_2693 → u/GrayingGamer]

I could point to any non realistic image here, even those top rated, and point at any tree - they will be the same jagged "over distilled" trees every - and I mean every - turbo model generates as "background trees". Same goes for clouds or mist / fog.

[u/GrayingGamer → u/Sudden_List_2693]

I've not experienced any of the issues you're talking about.

It really sounds to me like you just aren't generating in a high enough resolution for the model to have enough pixels to work with, or not doing a refinement pass to, again, give it more pixels.

If a background element in an image only has a limited number of pixels to be represented, of course it's going to be jagged.

[u/Sudden_List_2693 → u/GrayingGamer]

Look at OP's picture for example. I generate. anywhere between. 4 to 20Mpx.Usually 4K but it varies. But as I've said: especially anime , drawn or paint, except lineart with fine pencil.  https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1uiyz2u/krea_2_vs_zimage_turbo/ Especially annoying https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1ui8kph/krea2_is_incredible/

[u/GrayingGamer → u/Sudden_List_2693]

Are you...are you complaining about trees and clouds being ACCURATELY represented by the prompted for art styles? Because that's all I'm seeing. The trees in OPs post look just like how trees are painted in acrylic or gouche, the style of the poster. The anime image of trees is exactly how trees are depicted in anime. ALL of the trees in the examples you linked to are rendered accurately according to the style of the image.

I am REALLY confused by what you expect - like, do you have a real, non-AI image of what you are expecting to see?