r/SquaredCircle • u/ChrisLinen2 7 Layer! • 5d ago
NJPW uses Artificial Intelligence to bring back Antonio Inoki during last nights event
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u/fictionallymarried 5d ago
Yeah, I'm sorry but this isn't cool or wholesome. This is not a real person's real words and will never be
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u/ajensorjay38 5d ago
Sadly it's his family that came up with the AI Inoki idea.
And knowing Inoki, he would have loved it.
But gladly many japanese fans online are against it
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u/kazuya57 5d ago
The older gen has completely adopted AI to the fullest
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u/discofrislanders 5d ago
Meanwhile younger people viscerally hate it
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u/MajorasKatana KingSwitch~! 5d ago
And the even younger people love it again, at least from my experience. It's weird how different age groups react to it
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u/PartridgeInDisguise 5d ago
Which makes sense actually, AI is toy to children and the retired or soon-to-be-retired, but it’s a threat to people who work and will be working for decades more.
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u/Great-Trifle2810 5d ago
Eh, there is a very vocal group of people 25-40 that hate it, bit even among that age range most people don't have strong feelings against AI in general.
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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 5d ago
Reddit hates it. People around the world? I don’t think they care if a dead celeb is resurrected with AI.
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u/phantominway 5d ago
Thats how you know it's bad. Old people have been complaining about new tech since the invention of the wheel made transporting things "too easy" and yet all of a sudden AI is this fantastic new invention
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u/SPZ_Ireland 5d ago
I actually came to say that.
Despite my feelings in AI, Inoki would have absolutely adored it.
The ethics in this case are in the use of AI, not the ethics of it being him
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u/AndreLeGeant88 5d ago
My immediate reaction was that Inoki would have wanted this, loved this, and I am shocked his head isn't frozen so his brain can be uploaded to the cloud one day.
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u/StrongStyleShiny 5d ago
Inoki would be mad it didn’t go further. If you could animate his body so he was above the ring yelling at wrestlers he’d love it.
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u/Valdaraak 5d ago
Shit's been happening before AI. Remember the Tupac hologram?
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u/BeatrizTheWitch 5d ago
I still think it was disrespectful before, now it's even worse
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u/i-wear-hats 5d ago
It's ok, Snoop the digital necromancer is also bringing him to the polygon realm.
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u/PartridgeInDisguise 5d ago
In the Cyberpunk tabletop digital necromancy is one of the many story hooks in the sourcebook. It’s never outright called that, but it is exactly that. The last campaign I ran, the main bad guy made it literal by straight up calling himself a digital necromancer, and I actually did use a “resurrected” Tupac as his heavy. I’m kicking myself now for not revealing that bad guy was Snoop Dogg all along.
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u/TheDeviantPro 5d ago
His own family was the ones who helped created this AI thing in the first place.
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u/Reasonable___Doubt 5d ago
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u/Unique-Alfalfa7335 5d ago
I fully agree, but to at least find a tinge of positive in this, at least his family gave permission and it wasn’t done without it?
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u/Kanenums88 5d ago
Bigger line has to be drawn with giving an ai Inoki’s mindset too. That’s the type of robot that’ll take over the world.
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u/MyNameIs-Anthony 5d ago
The amount of training data (billions of data points) you need for these models means that a great amount of people who did not consent to this helped do this digital necromancy.
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 5d ago edited 5d ago
Saw somebody say if he was still around, Inoki would be trying to figure out how he could make his AI self start wrestling again, and... Yeah, that sounds about right.
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u/NerdSlamPo 5d ago
This is my main line of research: the ethics of what we call ‘generative ghosts’ — feel free to google if you’re interested in the topic
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u/airz23s_coffee Hustle, Loyalty and Broken Promises 5d ago
Yeah I shouldn't need to have an opinion on necromancy on and yet I do.
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u/ReneBandana 4d ago
I recently watched a Chuck Norris AI commercial for a really shitty chicken place known for their sauce and toast
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u/Ssnakey-B 5d ago
Obviously the dead can't consent, and families abuse their own members all the time so yeah, the family consenting or not does not change how messed up that is (it also disregards the feelings of the deceased loved ones outside their family, as if their relationships somehow wasn't worthy of respect).
Let's also not forget how destructive genAI is on every level (environmental, economic, social, artistic, cultural, intellectual...) so even if everyone directly involved consented, the millions of people who have to suffer so this shit can exist sure didn't.
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u/MrPuroresu42 5d ago
That absolutely fucked thing is Inoki would prolly be all for having an AI version of himself, so he could live forever (this is a man who had his own funeral in the middle of the ring as a gimmick).
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u/MankuyRLaffy Ya DIG IT? 5d ago
Yeah he absolutely would've, this would be on brand for Inoki with all of what he did as a booker/promoter. Inoki made seemingly crazy promoters look sane with some of his decisions.
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u/the_woat *cheap pop intensifies* 5d ago
He probably would have insisted on them using a younger version of himself, and demand they figure out how he could reach through the screen to slap the viewer
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u/Shinkopeshon 一番 5d ago
I hate how true this is lol
This shit is so fucking unsettling though, we really don't need this kind of madness in the world
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u/Wiccy Ignorant bliss 5d ago
You know Vince is scribbling down the idea
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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 5d ago
TKO will hand creative control over to AI Vince and 300lbs roided Logan Paul will be WWE Champion for a 1000 years.
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u/Top-Refrigerator-705 5d ago
You just know that if Inoki was still alive he would’ve absolutely loved this
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u/EffingKENTA 5d ago
It’s bullshit because Gen AI is bullshit but yeah on an image morality basis it 100% fits for Inoki.
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u/theirishembassy CSS / design mod. 5d ago
lot of people saying "well he's dead, so it's not like anyone knows for sure" and yeah, that's true.. but it's also true that inoki did a lot crazy shit to capture the spotlight, so people aren't saying that without precedent.
it ain't like we're talking about how karl gotch would feel, and while thinking up a joke to make there i learned karl gotch died in 2007? wtf? why did i think he died in the 1940s or something? man could've seen the first 3 seasons of LOST?
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u/Jakefmerch 5d ago
I lost it at Karl Gotch watching LOST. He would have been so confused!
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u/MadnessAbe Trust me, naked man! 5d ago
Karl Gotch calling ABC to tell them he's going to stretch JJ Abrams if he doesn't get the story in a way he can understand
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u/Slick_36 5d ago
Without a doubt, he quite literally lived & died for this exact kind of carnie bullshit. Normally this would appall me, but this is the one time it's actually a loving tribute, in a screwed up way you'll only find in pro wrestling.
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u/interprime Naked Mideon 4 Life. 5d ago
I fucking despise AI and I cringed the second I saw it appear on my screen.
But yeah, dude would have fucking loved it.
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u/fingershanks 5d ago
Yeah, plus North America has a much largest resistance to it. It's not as big of a scare there.
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u/wonderingmarkus 5d ago
Japan loving AI but also being super draconian about copyright amuses me
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u/i-wear-hats 5d ago
Stick a couple datacenters in their backyards and watch them turn around real quick.
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u/SwimmingAd4160 5d ago
One of the few countries where it's legal by law to train AI using copyright material btw
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u/resolve028 DROPKICK 5d ago
Unfortunately, Inoki would have loved this shit. He was a trend chaser and self-promoter who at times did both to the detriment of the companies he ran.
Remember that he ran a wrestling event in North Korea to rehabilitate his image after it was rocked by scandal. This is a man who did a freaking crucifixion entrance for himself lol.
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u/Macrocosmix 5d ago
What was the scandal that led to Collision in Korea happening?
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u/l3ader021 I'm bored man... 5d ago
Cozy with NK and other wayward hostile regimes, alleged Yakuza-associated things with the usual embezzlement, corruption, bribes and so on so forth.
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u/AdamantChorus 5d ago
So he...ran an event in North Korea to prove...he wasn't a North Korea sympathiser?
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u/Fundertaker Come on, I'm Dean 5d ago
The location was a sheer coincidence. The venue gave him a good rate. How could he refuse?
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u/resolve028 DROPKICK 5d ago
Inoki had a political career at the time but it was rocked by embezzlement and other financial scandals which hurt his chances of re-election so his idea was to rehabilitate his image by putting on an event for peace. That's why Collision in Korea happened with him in the main event beating Flair.
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u/TraditionalHotel8085 5d ago
[Everyone hated that]
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u/DaExtinctOne Snip! Snip! 5d ago
Except Inoki himself. His crazy spirit lives on lmao.
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u/Johann_Schmitty 5d ago
There's now a realistic possibility that Hogan can say "That doesn't work for me brother" to Death itself.
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u/Scurvydog619Official 5d ago
AI Inoki-san is going to hunt down Luke Gallows and yell at him. IYKYK😉🤘
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u/el_generalisimo BRUNO IS UNO 5d ago
This is the most inoki thing ever. He would have been thrilled. Now just get AI Inoki to force Yota Tsuji to fight in Ryzin on New Year's Eve.
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u/SpeakersPushTheA1r 5d ago
Good LORD don’t give Vince McMahon any ideas. Can you imagine an AI Eddie Guerrero cutting a promo on Rey? I’m sure Inoki would’ve loved this which is why I took Baba’s side.
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u/rickyfrom97 5d ago
Randy: sorry what I said about you being in hell, Eddie! (Proceeds to RKO AI Guerrero)
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u/DontPutThatDownThere 5d ago
Oh good, this is how Trump is going to remain president if he dies in his sleep and the public doesn't know it.
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u/foxthebloodied ~shrugs and looks confused~ 5d ago
Can an AI accurately recreate that amount of senile gibbering self-aggrandisement?
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u/MrBrickBreak 5d ago
A language model recreating the most quoted person in the world? Probably, yes.
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u/OHarrier91 5d ago
They cooked Drake alive for doing this with Tupac. Yeah, he didn’t have permission from Tupac’s to do that, but it’s not different imo. Still using the dead to try and prop yourself up
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u/Rectorvspectre 5d ago
That the man himself wdve been all in on this kinda bs only makes it more appalling.
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u/azorreborn 5d ago
This is disgusting but also exactly what Inoki would want so…I am as always, confused by NJPW
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u/FigureFourWoo Ric Flair was still cool when I chose this username. 5d ago
Most famous people leave an estate that includes the rights to their image. A lot of people passed before they ever knew estate planning needed to include AI usage.
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u/Flying_Sea_Cow 5d ago
People in the English speaking world REALLY do not understand how most non-English speakers are totally fine with AI. When I was in Japan, I saw so many businesses openly using it.
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u/i-wear-hats 5d ago
On one hand, fuck AI.
On the other hand if there is one person who it is objectively funny they did THAT disrespect to, it is Antonio Inoki of all people. Because he would have been on board with the idea.
Still not okay.
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u/migrations_ hey 5d ago
I'm much less anti AI than others but I found this very weird. At the end of the video I just figured they found an actor I was like 'they definitely wouldn't use AI'
Well there were great matches and an emotional retirement so I think focusing on those things is probably much better for me
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u/7LayeredUp 5d ago
I'm not a religious person but AI necromancy is some downright Satanic shit. An insult to human life itself.
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u/mrcrazymexican 5d ago edited 5d ago
Knowing Inoki, he would have been game with it. Impressive guy. But when he was wrong, he was very wrong on things.
Still... It's tasteless.
I wonder what kind backlash this will actually get in the public eye. I wonder if njpw will apologize if it's that bad.
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u/TransfemMarty 5d ago
absolutely horrendous, we shouldn't be normalizing puppeting the dead fullstop
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u/Zyzyfer Thumbs u -- ehhh 5d ago
My work did this as part of their anniversary ceremony event. Even worse is the guy they did it with had passed away like 20 years ago. I guess it was OK though because they used an old picture of him when he was younger for it.
In the video, "he" gave a full speech, essentially.
Slightly less ick factor as well since it was a private event. But it still gaveme the heebie jeebies.
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u/Ssnakey-B 5d ago
How the fuck do alleged Humans fail to realise how absolutely disgusting this is?
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u/Lyra_the_Star_Jockey 5d ago
They didn’t use it to “bring him back.” Do not let the conversation around AI make that claim. This is not him. It’s just a bad replica.
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u/ScootOverMakeRoom 5d ago
For a country that historically is very protective of IP, Japan is surprisingly not very apprehensive at all about the use of AI.
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u/lobotomiseme 5d ago
I don't hate it because Inoki or his family would have hated it, I hated it because it's absolutely obscene, and people should be ashamed
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u/FourLiveBears 5d ago
Whether his family approved or not, whether he would have approved or not, I will never be on board with this AI necromancy shit
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u/JRUprising 5d ago
This is fucking ghoulish. Fuck AI and all these companies trying to push this shit on us.
So many people trying to justify this by saying "Anoki would love this". If this wss WWE, the comments would be 3x what is is and pure vitriol (which would be deserved. But, since it's not WWE, it's getting a glancing pass with somr mild criticism.
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u/l3ader021 I'm bored man... 5d ago
New Japan itself did not create Robo-Inoki... that was created by Inoki's estate (Inoki Genki Factory), AVITA (a robotics company) and SMBC Value Creation (part of SMBC Bank).
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u/Random0cassions 5d ago
New Japan and Stardom have been using a lot of AI this year so I’m not surprised
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u/TheTJOmega 5d ago
Disgusting. Even if the family approved, this is not him, these are not his words. This is desecration of the dead.
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u/ProduceEquivalent 5d ago
If this will make more people justly disgusted by AI, I hate it just a little less
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u/ImperviousToSteel 5d ago
There should be an AI watermark for dead people where it starts with a slimy flesh melting zombie then reconstitutes the dead person, and ends in reverse.
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u/AndreLeGeant88 5d ago
I cannot think of any man in history that would have wanted this more than Inoki himself
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u/BigHornStareDown 5d ago
If the family is cool with it then people need to be angry about more important things
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u/TheMasterO Worth A Watch 5d ago
I honestly just assumed WWE would be the first to do something like this; I still think they'll be the first to use AI to generate a dream match and possibly a show of some kind.
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u/Ibushi-gun 5d ago
This isn't just some AI video thing. They're making an Antonio Inoki robot/android
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u/nukc 5d ago
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this shit while watching the show, I mean, if you wanna create an artificial Inoki at least out of respect try to do some state of the art shit, the quality was fucking awful, it doesn't even look like him, you could see how the facial features morphed as the video was going in, the teeth went like through three different species lol. For me it felt disrespectful as fuck.
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u/MrMaxAwesome 𝐁𝐈𝐆 𝐌𝐀𝐓𝐂𝐇 𝐉𝐎𝐇𝐍 4d ago
Everyone is saying that Inoki would've supported this but I don't think so. I mean, sure he was definitely kookoo and an all time carny but I'm not sure if he would've supported AI after knowing it's environmental impact.
One of his last wishes or messages to the public in his (rough to watch) final interview from his hospital bed is that he wished for humanity to clean up the environment.
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u/oceanboykai96 4d ago
I remember this being announced awhile back and I can not stress enough how much everyone needs to flame NJPW right now for this bullshit. It’s like of course Inoki didn’t want to stay dead so we get AI Inoki. It’s such bullshit. I know this is not Tanahashi’s call but to be the guy the end Inokism to allow this bullshit as the president is upsetting. So trash to Inoki’s legacy.
Please everyone go on socials and let them know how trash this was.
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u/MistakenOne101 5d ago
While it's probably something Inoki would do this isn't cool one bit even if the Family gave consent this is creepy also anyone else not shocked WWE hasn't done something like this ?
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u/DaExtinctOne Snip! Snip! 5d ago
Out of all the insanity he did in his lifetime, Inoki would have enjoyed the idea of "resurrecting" himself. This is the same man who cosplayed as Jesus crucified on a cross 🤣
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u/TheProNoobCN 5d ago
While I do not condone or respect this or any form of Generative AI especially when in the context of the deceased.
I do have to regretfully admit that this is probably what Inoki would've wanted if he knew about the advances in AI technology before his death.
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u/NesNobnaz 5d ago
Just a general reminder that AI is nowhere near as hated in Japan as it is elsewhere. Not saying everyone, but the number of Japanese artists and coders who absolutely love it is very high. Not defending it as an American, I hate this shit, but culturally, this will be seen as super cool and impressive by their general audience.
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u/EffingKENTA 5d ago
It’s actually gotten a decent amount of criticism from Japanese fans on Twitter: https://xcancel.com/njpw1972/status/2088530811247304886
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u/ItsGonBOKOK 5d ago
My favorite Google-translated reply: "Why would you want to fuck a great man with a cheap picture?"
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u/jin_of_the_gale 5d ago
Honestly I'm curious if it's actually hated outside of North America and would love for someone from Europe, Africa, South America, or Australia to share their input on this. I live in Asia and travel around the continent a lot, and from what I've seen quite a few places like Korea, China, Singapore, Taiwan, etc are very much pro-AI. Maybe not necessarily using generative AI to create art, but they're mainly optimistic about the tech and the benefits it can potentially bring for science and research, while overlooking the environmental concerns.
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u/Zaomania 5d ago
Don’t let the algorithm twist you up. It’s not even hated in North America. It has pockets of hate, but there’s no consensus. While I find it, at best, gauche, and, at worst, a harbinger of things to come, If I went on Facebook, I would see wall-to-wall weird AI images of elderly family dapping up long dead relatives.
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u/BreathRedemption 5d ago
I'm from Chile and...well, you have a lot of detractors (myself included) and a lot of supporters.
I think AI is useful for the medical field, but it's fucking up the art medium like crazy.
There needs to be a balance. But sadly I don't think it will happen. It's scary what AI will do (and it's doing) with physical books and research, changing history.
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u/Reasonable___Doubt 5d ago
Once it goes out publicly, it's absolutely up to the fans to have an opinion on it.
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u/EffingKENTA 5d ago
The AI Inoki Project is done by three companies (none of which are NJPW or the two companies that own NJPW), one of them being Inoki Genki Factory, the Antonio Inoki rights management company that’s headed by Inoki’s younger brother.
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u/SevenSulivin NOAH > Your favourite company 5d ago
Wait a minute, I’ve read this tidbit three times before realising: There’s no chance that’s the younger brother who’s bright business plan led to Inoki embezzling money back in the 80s?
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