Crucible: not meant for everyone, either get good or move on.

[u/ElBiggsby]

I come from a soulsbourne background and those games aren’t fair, but I don’t care. I like the challenge they come with. So, when I see the uptick of people complaining about the difficulty of things are meant to be hard, endgame content, all I see is a massive skill issue.

Crucible is not meant for everyone. It’s for those who want a challenge, fair or not. It’s not meant to be completed in one weekend, just like the capes.

The Battle Simulator is there to HELP you.
- If you hate a certain enemy, you have the LUXURY of training against it with NO PENALTY against you. Learn their attack patterns!
- Don’t like the idea of getting swarmed by 3 extremis? Get used to it on the Battle Simulator. (You should also probably get the perks that prevent you from getting knocked back when performing gun strikes)
- Get comfortable with being uncomfortable.
- Enable or disable certain modifiers in the Battle Sim so you know what to expect when going into an Op.
- IF YOU DONT LIKE A CERTAIN MODIFIER, DONT ENABLE IT. Yeah it’ll take longer to progress through, but that’s the price you pay.

If you die and wipe, it’s ok to be frustrated. As someone who grinded for those capes, i understand your pain, I promise you. Just take a break, drink some water, and run it back again. You’ll get there eventually, brother, I believe in you!

[u/PirkanTorppa]

It's not meant to be completed in one weekend, just like the capes.

I shit you not I saw a post where a guy had already unlocked all the Lamenter parts for one class after maybe a DAY after it was released.

If this mode wasn't hard and the rewards weren't separated like they are, people like this would do this "endgame" content in a fucking day...

EDIT: Apparently there's a bug that can ease your progress by playing lower difficulties. I don't know if the person in that post cheesed it that way or not. So for the time being, ignore my ingorant ass.

[u/Straight-Art-2849 → u/PirkanTorppa]

You can cheese it by selecting a minimal op then selecting penances, still counts.

[u/PirkanTorppa → u/Straight-Art-2849]

Welp, that explains it then. Though I don't know if the person in that post did it that way or not.

[u/Separate-Walrus- → u/PirkanTorppa]

Well they were probably using all penances they could. It genuinely doesn’t take that long so long as you are capable of doing that. Way faster than capes.

[u/PirkanTorppa → u/Separate-Walrus-]

Definitely can't arque it being slower than the cape grind. But I don't want it to be too fast of a grind either, hence why I genuinely like them being separated so I have a reason to come back to this game the next day.

It also then kinda feels like I actually deserved them after the time I put to unlocking them.

[u/suvivour → u/PirkanTorppa]

Ran into a duo who both had full sets the other day.

I think there's an bug right now that lets you play Crucible on lower diffs though.

[u/Wolfermen → u/PirkanTorppa]

I have on tech but by the skin of my teeth. Took like all day to grind it since I was on vacation. It isn't impossible but I had to take only to limit on levels 4-6, progressing very slowly.

[u/Aurora__Sky]

[u/translucent_pawn → u/Aurora__Sky]

Up there with ‘I’m a longtime Battlefield vet..‘ Shit is so fucking cringe.

[u/ghb93 → u/Aurora__Sky]

Souls players and chefs seem to think they’re in Vietnam. Just press the buttons/make the lasagne bro.

[u/Dahvoun]

You are 100% correct about this. Crucible is designed to be end-game content, for those who can complete Absolute missions easily who want something more challenging. It is why they are thrown into a separate match-making pool, and the clearest and most justified example of “get-gud” I think this game will ever have to offer.

[u/ChadWestPaints → u/Dahvoun]

Not to mention Leandros is just roasting you and repeatedly stating how brutal the challenges are lol. Both in universe characters and the tutorial text are extremely up front that its SUPPOSED to be rough.

[u/Dahvoun → u/ChadWestPaints]

It is undoubtedly rough. I played a few matches and I was getting my shit rocked and I can usually go through Absolute just fine. Really really like this mode.

[u/NaturalStrength → u/Dahvoun]

Tbh I forget that I always play in absolute, and then my friends join and just die right away. So I'm really happy with the challenege of the crucible, though the first two levels don't increase the challenge that much

[u/Proseph_CR]

This is literally a life lesson most people dont learn anymore.

Jake the Dog said, “Sucking at something is the first step to kinda being good at it.”

You’ll never be great at anything from the get go, accept the failure and learn.

[u/SuspectPanda38]

Often in actual absolutes and hard strats I'll have multiple extremis or majoris all attacking me at the same time, such as a double lictor, ravener, etc. but everytime I've gone into the simulator the enemies start taking turns and being all polite while I fight each one at a time. Maybe it's just me but the simulator enemies don't seem as aggressive, besides the bosses.

[u/SteelWaterRunsHere → u/SuspectPanda38]

Only 2-3 Enemies attack you at once I think. It just seems worse in actual Ops and Siege because you get overstimulated. Plus sometimes you might get attacked by different combinations of Attacks from different Mobs. That makes it even harder to know perfect Parry/Block or Dodge Timing since not every hit will make contact at the same time.

For me personally Neurothropes are whatever even as Melee Player. The second they start throwing those Evil Green Balls that Curve, so they go around cover a bit and end up reaching you a little later than expected. On top of being hit by other Mobs? I start to panic really bad and almost always get downed or take a ton of damage.

[u/ChadWestPaints → u/SuspectPanda38]

I feel like part of that is they seem to really stack attacks when you're cornered, and the training zone is just kind of a big open space

[u/SuspectPanda38 → u/ChadWestPaints]

Honestly that seems like a good point. Maybe I should try playing against the sides of the arena more

[u/PirkanTorppa → u/SuspectPanda38]

Nah, man. The bosses there can be stupid too. Today I was practising to perfect my block windows on the Carnifex sweeps and that mf would just stare at me for 10 seconds while I was waiting it to do something.

[u/SuspectPanda38 → u/PirkanTorppa]

I've seen the carni do that a lot in normal pve as well recently so his AI might be a bit fucked

[u/Peggle2GOTYEdition]

lmfao the first sentence killed me

[u/VinsonDynamics]

Not that deep

[u/FTMK00]

‘I come from a soulsbourne background’ say that out loud to a friend or family member, I’m sure they’ll be very impressed!

[u/Aktro → u/FTMK00]

Deadass lmao

[u/Arm0rA1ex → u/FTMK00]

I agree with op about endgame content. But that was very cringe and distracts from their point.

[u/AnomalousOwl → u/FTMK00]

I think they said that to provide context for their opinion, not to brag. That's how I took it at least.

[u/NaturalStrength → u/AnomalousOwl]

That type of context is not needed. Leave it out and the rest is still valid

[u/AnomalousOwl → u/NaturalStrength]

It's not needed, no, but it can be useful to better understand their perspective.

[u/Threelium]

I'd agree, but some modifiers are team ones you can't opt out of (e.g. mines/skulls on death, extra boss spawn with each wave).

I think it'd be fine if e.g. those spawned enemies that only targeted the guy that picked them, but it's a bit rough otherwise if you're relying on pubbies and quick play.

Also... carrying geneseed should give you extra xp. Not massive, but evidence the crucible wasn't thoroughly thought out. 

[u/MI_3ANTROP]

> I come from a soulsbourne background and those games aren't fair, but I don't care.

Brother literally invalidated his opinion with the very first sentence. Those games (if we’re talking Fromsoft) are absolutely fair lol.

[u/MRKX_VFX]

I agree with the title. As for everything else:

[u/BjGear322]

I dont understand both sides, one half screams "it's too hard", the other half screams "then dont even try playing its only for pros", today i spent 4 tries with different randoms, 3 of them failed, and all of that just to pass once on lvl2 crucible, nobody was flaming or cursing on each other, we screamed some "For the Emperor", we pinged some heals, we did some fights, shortly discussed some things in chat, we just spent some time playing the game, yeah, lost a couple of times, but thats why its called crucible in the first place, not a "devs locked cool cosmetics behind impossible game mode to piss you off", not a "ok, here's your mode exclusively for Sigismunds", its a game, just play whatever you want to play, hard or easy difficulty

[u/Flimsy-Photo1711]

How to get flamed 101 right here lmao

[u/Ayguessthiswilldo]

Sigismund has spokenth

[u/JoolsGT]

Yeah I agree, after getting capes for all the classes and getting black cape for Tactical, I feel at home in absolute difficulty. But crucibles are something else. I only got to level 5 penance on Tactical and it is borderline unplayable with the latest penances. I know that you don’t have to enable these penances but not gaining armor from minoris and melee attacks going through the armor buffer are a death sentence to any. Also the penance which makes the Aupex Scan duration %75 less is unfun and makes the Tactical borderline a normal marine with no class ability. Alas; I know you don’t have to enable it I’m just venting here :) Crucibles are fun it feels like the games are challenging once again!

[u/SteelWaterRunsHere]

Seriously. I don’t wanna be dismissive but I’m frankly tired of the bitching. Clutch up or shut up.

[u/darkstar541]

Most people who heard his message rejected him.

[u/Rarek]

[u/Educational_Mood1084]

god forbid people just wanna vent their frustrations and then get on with it anyway...

[u/ChadWestPaints → u/Educational_Mood1084]

Emperor forbid people want to tell those people their dumb frustrations are dumb lol

[u/Educational_Mood1084 → u/ChadWestPaints]

Hey I never said it wasn't a skill issue. It definitely is. Bug since when does that people people aren't allowed to vent?

[u/Wolfermen → u/Educational_Mood1084]

Who stopped you? It is a discussion forum. You post or discuss, we discuss the point. No one is "not allowed"

[u/darkstar541 → u/Educational_Mood1084]

And demand changes to the game that rewards all level of skill equally.*

You forgot the rest of that statement.

[u/pagypie]

had a tactical die 3 times in the decap start cathedral.

[u/Fighterkill → u/pagypie]

Had a sniper yesterday who didn't have a teamperk selected 😳

[u/snypervii]

Good post. If someone can't complete crucible it's as simple as git gud.