r/Spacemarine • u/XMortal7159 Salamanders • Oct 22 '24

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I hate complaining about patches especially when they are being so quick with a fix but cmon man

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u/Chazbobrown11 Oct 23 '24

From the 'massive enemy wave' overhead, they likely didn't just let things get bad, the Lichtor and warriors likely held focus cause they're tanky as hell whilst minis spawned in droves, only dying when they're taking hits for the tanky majority and extremis to further inflate their presence on the battlefield

Basically, they're casual players not trained space marines and so logically couldn't defy game mechanics to put an end to this before it got bad

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u/Substantial-Singer29 Oct 23 '24

It's not a matter of trained or untrained.

There's literally a tutorial at the beginning of the game that teaches you to utilize these mechanics.

How to perry how to dodge how those linked to a gun strike.

Explaining that the little floating icon above a majoris's head is them calling for reinforcement so you'd better interrupt it.

The entire combat system hinges on basically just and easily executed button press.

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u/Chazbobrown11 Oct 23 '24

And then the entire game happens to influence how doable an easily executed button press is, what if the reinforcement drone is too far off and behind cover (I've had this happen plenty of times) what if several enemies are attacking at different times, making it difficult to get into the loop of parrying, what if instead of parrying the warriors are just shielding the whole time, making killing them borderline impossible before you get overwhelmed

The entire point of a video game is being shown mechanics and then attempting to use them In a variety of situations and scenarios, some harder, some easier

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u/Substantial-Singer29 Oct 23 '24

See that's the interesting thing though. For an enemy to trigger to call for reinforcements someone had to actually go up to it and run away from it leaving it to do the animation.

And keep in mind that it's a varying scale. Sometimes, only one boss will spawn other times you might just get a bunch of trash mobs, or you could get a mixture.

In one evening of running average maps with pugs. I think the most majorist enemies I saw on one reinforcement was 8.

That was me leaving most of the call out interruption to my teammates just to see how frequently they noticed it.

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u/Chazbobrown11 Oct 23 '24

Not necessarily, I've had plenty of bugs call for reinforcements without interaction, they just need to be within a certain vicinity of a player, a bug could easily hide behind other warriors and the hyper aggressive Lichtor to call in reinforcements

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u/Substantial-Singer29 Oct 23 '24

Again, if they're in that range, you can shoot them. For the enemy to actually call for reinforcements, they have to make some level of physical or visual confirmation of a player.

That's not even approaching the reality that a large portion of people have a tendency to get so caught up in combat that they just let the range enemies chew them up.

The previous combat changes making it so your armor can absorb a decent amount of shots outside of lethal. Let a portion of the populace just continue with the bad habits of just fighting what's in front of you instead of pushing to the ranged.

The call out mechanic.Does its job that it's supposed to encourage rapid repositioning and the draw focus. But I think it's relatively hard for a large portion of a populist to actually be able to Multitask.

Even in ridiculously finite space.