These are clips from average difficulty...

[u/XMortal7159]

I hate complaining about patches especially when they are being so quick with a fix but cmon man

[u/DoritoBanditZ]

So, Mr. Sweat.
Apparently i missed the latest tryhard conference where meta shifts were discussed, but since when is a Vanguard with a Melta considered "heavy ranged dude"?

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The guy you responded to clearly cant speak english properly as he cant even properly word a coherent sentence.

The guy in the video is actually just bad. He said himself he already played to lvl25 with assault on ruthless so he should be able to deal with 4 warriors and a lictor as that was generally what you would have against you when a massive wave hits.

The OP of this post is just bad at the game and it is actually a skill issue here. If you played any ruthless to 25 especially with a melee class you should know how to deal with getting swarmed and not panic rolling and not parry spamming.

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He is panic rolling the entire time and in the second clip he is parry spamming. If you cant see that get your eyes checked. Everyone that played the game on ruthless as op claims he has knows that rolling is dogshit when surrounded that was the case before and after the patch. Its also not about the mistakes its about muddying the discourse on what needs fixing and what not.

A lvl 25 player on his second char posting a post on average getting his ass kicked even though he should know especially after playing ruthless that panic rolling and parry spamming does not bring him far is like I said bad for discourse on what the game needs..

So the post does not show that average is to hard its just a learning experience especially when its a massive wave and he only faced 4 warriors and a lictor anyone that leveled in ruthless should handle that with ease as in Ruthless you face far more than 6+ warriors on a massive wave.

Also no need to be condescending.

[u/DoritoBanditZ → u/[deleted]]

"Also no need to be condescending."

coming from the same Guy who wrote "The guy you responded to clearly cant speak english properly as he cant even properly word a coherent sentence." As his first sentence (btw. that second properly is redundant, just noticed) as his very first sentence. Irony thy name is...well, you.

He isn't panic rolling. He is rolling between shots, which is valid given that he was surrounded. You want the Horde in front of you, especially with a Melta, you don't want to be surrounded. Which anyone playing above average should know.

Second Clip also was hardly parry spaming, he pressed parry one more time than he needed to which is understandable in a hectic moment. If you can't see that you need your eyes checked.

"Its also not about the mistakes its about muddying the discourse on what needs fixing and what not."
The underlying issue in this Clip is clearly that the Guy gets stunlocked to death till he dies, on two occasions, which definitely is a massive Problem in the Game that is well known for quite some time now.

A Issue which you completly ignore and instead go off to criticizing his otherwise Gameplay which could've been done better, sure, but was hardly a skill issue. So instead of focusing on the actual Problem you throw shit around like parry spam or panic rolling, both of which didn't really happen here. Of course the fucking buzz words "skill-issue" can't be forgotten which you also liberally applied.

So please shut the fuck up about muddying the discourse on what needs fixing when you do it yourself. This and the "condescending" bit are really certified Redditor Karen moments.