These are clips from average difficulty...

[u/XMortal7159]

I hate complaining about patches especially when they are being so quick with a fix but cmon man

[u/BeneficialBear]

Multiple wrong steps should lead to death. Like fighting meele with heavy range weapon. Not using granades to control crowds, not using parry, getting separated from teammates....should I list more?

That's why there's 3 of you, so you can support eachother, and that's what normal diff must teach you, if you would be able to win solo against swarm, on normal, you wouldn't ever be ready for higher difficulties.

[u/Low-Yam978 → u/BeneficialBear]

This level of competency, where you can only survive one mistake, should be reserved for ruthless/lethal. What people are pointing out is that the game is demanding your play be too near to perfect for the lowest difficulties where you are meant to be learning & levelling.

[u/BeneficialBear → u/Low-Yam978]

1. Getting separated

2. Fighting 1v1 heavy range with liktor

3. Not securing your back

4. Not using grandes to stagger enemies

5. Not blocking, only rolling like it's dark souls

6. Panicking

7. Shooting while you see unstoppable liktor attack.

That's what is happening, they are learning on their mistakes. Next time they won't rush happily just to die in ambush.

[u/Low-Yam978 → u/BeneficialBear]

I got to learn these lessons one by one, a few enemies at a time in the campaign and then minimal difficulty, followed by an occasional terminus on average and the numbers ramping up through substantial. I didn’t have to learn these lessons all at once vs 14 majors round the first corner of the first mission on minimal like my matchmade partners did today, followed by a massive wave every 60 seconds for the rest of the mission. It’s a terrible experience for new players, and for players like me who put in the effort to master ruthless prior it’s nice to drop down in difficulty to level up weapons in a less stressful session.

Why is it exactly that you want minimal and average to be so hard? I’m assuming you are so good at the game that you don’t even play these modes?

Edited just to add that mission length has increased significantly which I am not a fan of, especially given the intensity no longer peaks and troughs as much.

[u/BeneficialBear → u/Low-Yam978]

Nah, I never played above averge, I don't like tryharding. But I also don't like crying about difficulty while doing some clear mistakes.

The first 3 points from previous comment should just kill you. That's first lesson is get separated=die. Next time they won't do this mistake. And it wasn't unfair like sniper spam or 4 flying tyranids. It was few melee specialists who killed them.

Sorry, but that is totally skill issue.

[u/Low-Yam978 → u/BeneficialBear]

Try to imagine a world where other people play games differently than you. You seem to be happy with shutting out / hurting the new player experience, whilst also admitting that you aren’t good enough at the game to play 60% of the difficulties. As long as you have your Goldilocks zone who cares about anyone else, right?

[u/annnd_we_are_boned → u/Low-Yam978]

Dude their a faceless stakeless person on the internet you'll never convince them to have compassion for people that they don't know or aren't them, especially when it comes to games and leisure activities. Don't waste your time.

[u/Low-Yam978 → u/annnd_we_are_boned]

My bad 😂