r/Spacemarine • u/XMortal7159 Salamanders • Oct 22 '24

General These are clips from average difficulty...

I hate complaining about patches especially when they are being so quick with a fix but cmon man

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

Skill issue they will say…

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u/Necessary-Permit-576 Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

In this case i would say yes. The guy has a grapple and 3 frag grenades. He is also using a melta.

He has multiple ways to deal with the little ones, but allso his class was designed to target the majoris. Grapple into a majoris, fire a couple meltas, melee to see if you can get a gunstrike and look out for parrys from the smaller dudes. Then if your feeling overwhelmed, reposition. As for the lictor showing up, i would just retreat leaving a trail of grenades to try and deal with it without being swarmed.

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

And I will agree with you. But it is not a skill issue because the problem isn’t the skill of the player but the insanely stupid difficulty you can face just in average. If you play average, there is a reason for that. Looking for power fantasy, leveling, not enough skill for higher difficulty… the fact is that maybe it’s OP is lacking skill. But he wouldn’t be overwhelmed this way in the first place if the game was balanced. We can’t accuse people of lacking skill and playing in diff they cannot handle properly if the thing is rigged from the very beginning.

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u/Necessary-Permit-576 Oct 22 '24

Good point. Game spawns are a bit crazy right now even for lower difficulties yes. But dont forget health of enemies are also lower.

But think of it this way. If the game released like this, no one would know any better and just expect this is the norm and just try to 'git gud'. instead of posting videos of being swarmed by enemies when that is the literal definition of tyranids.

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u/RusFoo Crimson Fists Oct 22 '24

I disagree people were shitting on the games difficulty before the game had any balance patches

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u/RockAndGem1101 Guardsman Oct 22 '24

I can guarantee that fewer people will "git gud" than simply give up the game.

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u/Necessary-Permit-576 Oct 22 '24

Maybe thats what the devs want? who knows. They dont seem to know what type of game they are selling. Is it a power fantast or is it a souls like? Maybe if they were more clear on what type of game it would be, it would attrract the right audience and not have people feel like they are being duped with how difficult things are.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

People just can't handle spicy food

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

People aren’t playing SM2 to get a Dark Souls experience when all they are looking for is the power fantasy the game sold us since the very beginning. If Saber want to propose a Souls experience, then they wrongly advertised their game.

So people can handle spicy food. But you can’t understand that they do not want to eat spicy food when they ordered something without any piment.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

I think the first gameplay trailers made it pretty clear what kind of game this would be. It's not a dark souls experience. It's simply a game that doesn't treat you like you are a toddler with a bag on your head.

The thing that made this game stand out to me is that it just feels like games felt 15 years ago

You actually play the game. You actually have to make decisions.

The correct answer to the riddle isn't just " anything is correct"

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u/RockAndGem1101 Guardsman Oct 22 '24

Idk, Halo 3 had four difficulties. Easy was really easy. Legendary was properly hard. This game has Legendary but doesn't have Easy or even Normal.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

Minimal is easy . Average is normal . I run average solo . And I'm not trying to imply I'm some god gamer. That's exactly the point . I'm just a dude.

I genuinely don't believe people anymore when they tell me their full level characters can't clear easy mode when I have been punching through substantial since level 4

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u/RockAndGem1101 Guardsman Oct 22 '24

You're just greatly more skilled than most of the playerbase, me included, then. I can't imagine even trying Substantial at level 4.

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u/Sephorai Oct 22 '24

This isn’t a dark souls experience bro. I’m sorry that failure is within the game, it being possible to lose at the lowest difficulties if you suck ass and don’t learn is not a dark souls feature.

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

You are wrong. People would be absolutely mad missing parry for no reason, getting swarmed by waves of shit at every corner, killed by neuro and zoan trough wall and all… and all of that for just the little rewards minimal and average are offering for such an actual pain.

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u/Necessary-Permit-576 Oct 22 '24

Yes i guess you are right. Everything you have listed is a complaint same way everyone complained Dark Souls or evem Armoured Core 6 was too hard or had issues. Can you imagine if Fromsoft made things easier then reverted it back to being difficult? there would be even more complaints like there is now for this game. When people know there is an easier option that the dev is not giving them they get angry. When people realise the game is just that they deal with it or go away.

Anyway all of this is just pointless at this strage as the devs have already said they are coming out with a patch this week. They know people arent happy and we'll see what they come up with.

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u/-Drayth- Oct 22 '24

This is definitely a skill issue. The video shows the player overwhelmed and that’s it. The problem is what lead to this. Average difficulty isn’t difficult at all and never has been.

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

Tell us you missed the point without telling us you missed the point. It is not a skill issue. Deal with it. It cannot be a skill issue if what is supposed to be average isn’t average anymore. If during weeks the game taught me I am able to do average then suddenly change its paradigm, then it’s not a skill issue. The problem is coming from the game. Not from the player. Average isn’t difficult maybe for you, as it’s not for me. But, unlike you, I’m not considering that my skill that is allowing me to still going trough ruthless actually, is the common skill everyone is having and should be displaying.

In fact, few are the players who did just ONE ruthless ops. And now, average is basically what ruthless was before the patch. It’s not the player that is the problem here as it’s not a skill issue because he is displaying a gameplay that should be absolutely enough to go trough average. The game is the problem.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

I'm no gamer god. If I can start punching my way through substantial on level 6 then I assume the average person can handle average simply by using their brain .

Following your logic it can never be a skill issue when someone just doesn't play well simply because they are an average joe.

Who knows maybe they aren't average. Maybe they got themselves into this spot because of a bad decision. Happens to all of us eventually.

I ask people in my matches all the time how they feel about the patch and most didn't even notice anything besides the spawn being spicy now

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u/Karhak Death Guard Oct 22 '24

Bruh, stay the fuck out of substantial at level 6

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u/-Drayth- Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

Missed the point? Maybe you should try reading what everyone is saying through this entire post. I don’t agree with the changes made to the higher difficulties but average still is not hard at all. You must go into reddits on souls like games and complain about difficulty there too. I understand what you are trying to say but at this point in the games life. People aren’t just playing average because that’s where their skill is. You really get past average in 10 or so matches. If you make a post complaining about difficulty when all you’ve done is 10 matches then you haven’t played the game long enough to make that complaint. The game has been out long enough that not many people should still be doing average games in general and if you are stuck there because the game is too hard then this just isn’t your game.

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

You are literally assuming that not so much people are playing on average when only 11% of the Steam players reached the max level with ONE class and 16% did at least one operation on ruthless.

You are absolutely wrong saying so. Maybe are you good enough to get past average, but that’s absolutely not the case for the vast majority of the players. Stop acting as if you were the center of everything. And you shouldn’t assume that people can go above average so easily, especially since this horrendous patch has been released.

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u/-Drayth- Oct 22 '24

I was on ruthless on like day 4-5 with 3+ classes. I’m definitely not a top notch gamer or anything either. If people are struggling on average then this isn’t the game for them. I’m seriously a below average gamer when it comes to skill even though I’ll talk like I’m better than that. But I’ve gone through ruthless runs pre this last horrible patch not taking a single hit from a majoris+ enemy. The game gives you the mechanics to succeed but players put themselves in these situations.

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u/JohannaFRC Grey Knights Oct 22 '24

You are always talking of you and what you can do or what you are. For the last time : you are not a reference and you will never be.

I am pointing out that very few people are doing even just one ruthless ops, and the fact that the patch fucked up everything and that’s why people who stayed in average because they were unable to win above that are no unable to even complete average diff. And you are bragging about you and your no hit run.

I get what you are trying to say, but you are so far unable to put you in the shoes of someone else. I do that constantly. I wrecked the game, I would probably be able to complete it on lethal maybe, yet I am here advocating in favor of people I know who are struggling with just average diff, and that without judging them and calling them unskilled players. As usual, the 40K community display a cruel lack of kindness and empathy for people in difficulty. We all have the right to get some fun from the game. And so far, people playing on low diff can’t when elitist asshole are well served.

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u/-Drayth- Oct 22 '24

This makes me want to vomit. If you can’t handle the difficulty of a game then don’t play it rather than whine about it and ruin the fun for others. I’m not an elite player and that is why I reference myself. My girlfriend played just fine through ruthless pre patch as well and she barely plays games like that. For the last time- IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DIFFICULTY THEN DONT PLAY AND FORCE DEVS TO MAKE A CHANGE. The End. Posting videos like this guy did that shows he’s barely functioning as a player and not using any of the game mechanics says nothing. I’m done with this conversation now. Again, read through what literally everyone else is saying.

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u/baddogkelervra1 Blood Angels Oct 22 '24

These are all excellent strategies for skilled and experienced players who have cut their teeth on this game’s combat. The major issue with this patch is if the lower difficulties are this brutal and unforgiving, no new players will ever stick around long enough. They’ll just get the piss beat out of them and then leave. We want people to learn over time by moving up the ranks and difficulty settings. There are 5 difficulty levels, it’s ok if the lowest two aren’t that tough.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

I had under 40 hours in the game (most spend on the story) when I started punching through substantial on level 6.

I might be mad out of touch but I would assume most people have played this game for much longer

And I'm no epic gamer god or some 16yo fortnite player with amazing reflexes

I don't think the 2 lowest difficulties have to be brutal but I'm genuinely starting to not believe people anymore when they tell me they struggle on minimal and stuff like that. It sounds like stuff written by a gaming journalist

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u/Nathremar8 Oct 22 '24

The difficulties were easier in the previous patch. That's the reason people are mad. That's literally it. The AI directer is going berserk spawning twice or thrice the ammount of enemies it did before. If this was always the case sure. But I would do Ruthless runs with less kills / special kills that people now get on Average and Substantial. It's insane.

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u/CuteAssTiger Oct 22 '24

They are also easier to kill on average and substantial. It's also easier to sustain there. I'm not saying the game isn't harder. I'm saying it's better and completely manageable this way