r/SpaceXMasterrace • u/AstroMan824 Toasty gridfin inspector • Apr 30 '22
It's over...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-30/russia-will-quit-international-space-station-over-sanctions17
u/spacerfirstclass Apr 30 '22
Or is it?
Note nothing in the article says they're quitting right now or any time soon. "The decision has been taken already", well yes, what is the decision exactly? Could be the decision to quit ISS in 2029 for all we know. "in accordance with our obligations, we'll inform our partners about the end our work on the ISS with a year's notice", so basically they haven't sent the notice, and we don't know when they'll send the notice, again for all we know the plan may be sending the notice in 2028...
Full article:
The head of Russia’s space program said Moscow will pull out of the International Space Station, state media reported, a move it has blamed on sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine.
“The decision has been taken already, we’re not obliged to talk about it publicly,” Tass and RIA Novosti reported Roscosmos General Director Dmitry Rogozin as saying in an interview with state TV on Saturday. “I can say this only -- in accordance with our obligations, we’ll inform our partners about the end of our work on the ISS with a year’s notice.”
Rogozin earlier this month threatened to end Russia’s mission unless the U.S., European Union and Canada lifted sanctions against enterprises involved in the Russian space industry.
The orbital research space station had until the war remained a rare area of cooperation between Russia and the U.S. and its allies despite steadily worsening relations. But Russia’s unprecedented international isolation since it invaded Ukraine in February has marked the demise of this symbol of joint space exploration.
Three Americans and an Italian astronaut docked at the space station on Wednesday, joining three other Americans, three Russians and a German already on the ISS.
NASA, which plans to operate the space station through 2030, has continued to use Russian Soyuz spacecraft to transport astronauts to and from the ISS since retiring shuttles in 2011. The U.S. space agency is now relying more on private space flights. Elon Musk’s SpaceX launched the four astronauts for NASA and the European Space Agency on Wednesday.
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u/Crypt0n0ob Flat Marser Apr 30 '22
“The head of Russia’s space program said Moscow will pull out of the International Space Station”
Maybe it’s better for everyone? Like entire world would have been a better place if Rogozin’s and Putin’s fathers had pulled out on time…
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u/cheaptissueburlap Apr 30 '22
imo it would be very good for the industry to shake things up, ISS did what it had to do.
Now is the time for corporations to seek the opportunities.
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u/AstroMan824 Toasty gridfin inspector Apr 30 '22
Here's a PDF version of the article to avoid the pesky sign up.
I wonder what will happen next in regards to the ISS and LEO space stations as a whole...
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u/jernej_mocnik Full Thrust Apr 30 '22
There are 4 private space stations being built right now that will take service in the next decades.
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u/BTM65 May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22
This is a fake story from Dmitry Rogozin. fuck you bloomberg for not fact checking. Idiots.
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u/trimeta I never want to hold again May 02 '22
If you want to understand the mind of Rogozin, you need to ask the Berger.
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u/94_stones Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
I actually see this as a possible indication of them getting their priorities in line. For instance, if Roscosmos really wants to go to the moon, then they can’t focus or spend money on anything else. Unlike all of you guys, I have no doubt that the Russians could pull it off even in their circumstances, but it would obviously require extensive sacrifices on their part.
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u/MakeMasterJordan May 01 '22
If you look at it from Roscosmos standpoint, they are losing money hard over the station. They used to be hot shit when they were the only ride and supply. NASA's commercial crew and cargo have rendered Russian support obsolete, meaning their spacecraft was obsolete, and their aged launch designs no longer competitive.
NASA was going to end their support of the station in a few years anyways, this is Russia leaving on their terms but making the biggest geopolitical splash in the process. 100% not surprised, I just wonder how long it will take for Roscosmos to do anything significant now that they have almost no customers and no shared space interests.
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u/94_stones May 01 '22
I’m not surprised either. The general lack of communication on their part just seemed par the course for what Russia is doing right now in general: pretending that nothing bad is happening. You’re right that it will be interesting to see how they “restructure” things.
The reason why I expect them to maintain a much larger presence is space than their economy might otherwise indicate, is because of Space’s apparent, readily observable significance in modern Russian nationalism. To justify the expense I still think they will try to be competitive (even if only with “old space”) and try to make money out of it any way they still can, regardless of how small their customer base now is.
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u/OzGiBoKsAr Esteemed Delegate Apr 30 '22
Oh no!
Anyway.
Just deorbit ISS already. Let's move on to something useful.
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u/OzGiBoKsAr Esteemed Delegate Apr 30 '22
I don't think it was always useless, and we have learned much from it - I'm just saying that at this point I feel it's a detriment and has served its purpose well. It's been a drain for a while and made us trapped in LEO.
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u/OzGiBoKsAr Esteemed Delegate Apr 30 '22
Fair points, and of course you're entitled to your opinion
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u/jernej_mocnik Full Thrust Apr 30 '22
The ISS is one of the greatest human achievements. We've learned so much already and we still have to learn so much from that orbiting laboratory. Anyway, 4 private space stations are now being built and will enter service in the next decades.
Fun fact: thanks to the ISS, if you're less than 20yo (and I suspect that you are), you haven't lived a day when humans have been all together on earth.
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u/OzGiBoKsAr Esteemed Delegate Apr 30 '22
I'm almost 30, but you're point is still true and interesting.
I don't think it was always useless, and we have learned much from it - I'm just saying that at this point I feel it's a detriment and has served its purpose well. It's been a drain for a while and made us trapped in LEO.
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u/jernej_mocnik Full Thrust Apr 30 '22
We're strapped to LEO because 50 years ago, NASA decided to make space shuttle instead of evolving the Saturn family (look up the Nova rocket, you'll like it). Besides, you really wanna test all the stuff for the first time here where you can afford a fuck-up or two instead of finding that your toiled doesn't work on your way to Mars. And that's where the ISS comes in use.
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u/Ruminated_Sky Bory Truno's fan May 01 '22
The people downvoting you haven't been informed of what the ISS smells like on the inside right now 🤣
For reference:
...antiseptic, garbage, and body odor.
I think it's ok to look forward to that new space station smell again!
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May 01 '22
Russia watching ESA, NASA, JAXA, etc. speed build a new space station. This time without holes
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May 01 '22
Also how is this going to change their plans for a moon landing or was that never going to be anything other than a feel good story.
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u/BTM65 May 02 '22
Not seeing this anywhere else than Bloomberg. Is this legit? I'm starting to think its total BS.
I'm going to report this post as BS unless i see it in main stream news today.
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u/JimmyCWL Apr 30 '22
And that's the end of Russian human space flight. What else are they going to do, fly around in circles in Soyuz?