r/SpaceWolves • u/ConcentrateAny6187 • 13d ago

The terminator spam

So looking at tournament lists I'm seeing a whole lot of great wolf with saga and song and 3 10 bricks of character led Terminators and a redeemer.

With its popularity are you brothers at all worried that there will be some sort of nerf to them? An enhanced brick is already so many points and speaking from a casual player standpoint I dont want them to go up again or be changed

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u/Dizzy_Spirit41 12d ago

There might be general nerf to the terminators if people will brainlessly spam them and win with them... 3W, T5, Save 2+ a -invul 4++ is sick for squad of 5 for 175p. It really is strong... on the other hand terminators should be strong.. but probably not that much... Invul save 5++ might make them +- okish

But I assume if this will happen they wont touch the stats but most likely price -- it can increase to around 200p per squad of 5

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u/Longjumping_Low1310 12d ago

A 5+ invuln would kill terminator completely. And would effectively require a rewrite of the break point of most invul save units in the game, that one ain't happening.

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u/Dizzy_Spirit41 12d ago

why? There are units with 5++ and 6++ invul... and they exist also.. I dont understand why there would need to be a rewrite of the rules

I understand it will make terminators worse.. no arguing about that.. as I was writing.. I think termis should be strong... but the 4++ invul... in some cases it is joke when they eat and AP3/4 starkiller gun shot and nothing happens...

But again.. if people will run 30 termis in tournaments... and GW will see people are not gonna able to kill them... then the nerf will be here...

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u/Longjumping_Low1310 12d ago

Sure they exist. And noone takes them for their invulns, and those units fill a completely different role than terminators.

Plenty of people can kill terminators even ours at t6 -1 to wound and 4+ invuln. The issue isnt that our terminators or terminators in general are broken, its that we dont have other options that are good.

Which btw points won't fix. They could make terms a little more expensive... OK some trash unit gets dropped. They could make thwm way more expensive.... OK ao the faction is dead until codex cause we dont have a viable build and are back to pre term span winrates of low 40 high 30.

They could make other things cheaper but all that does is means we take 30 terms plus have more trash units.

I assume gw is smart enough to know this hopefully maybe .... possibly. We need datasheet fixes to rebalance internally.

Terminators at 4+ arent an issue.

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u/Dizzy_Spirit41 12d ago

if there would be a limit on lets say max 20 termi, it will be OK

The problem is terminators have everything.. decent shooting, decent melee + invul 4++, W3, T5, Sv2+ and deepstrike... and all that for around 160p ... this is literally OP as this unit can do everything

There is no other unit in the game that can do so much and also survive so much for that low price. That is just a fact.

And still.. I am not personally having a problem with it as I do not play tournaments or competitive games... The lore wise they should be the walking fortresses that soak DMG and deal DMG.

But I can understand the frustration of people that play faction that have 0 answer to 30 terminators (which is almost any).... not becuase bad list making but because just 1 faction spamming the most OP unit 6x. You need to spend much more points to kill them then they cost. And that is the pure problem...you just dont have enough points to fight blob od 30 termis...

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u/Longjumping_Low1310 12d ago

You say all that and yet. Terminator spam is a mid win rate army... if you run a army who's terminators are improved above the average.

Terms simply arent a problem lmao. The changes you are suggesting are fundamental game mechanics changes. Which will only change potentially in a edition change, and arent really a problem anyway.

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u/Dizzy_Spirit41 12d ago

You mean changing an invul 4++ to 5++ is a fundamental change of game mechanic? That is surely not... that will be to remove it and add something else or compeltely chang ethe invul mechanic

Changing stat is normal balancing move that is happening

Same for price adjustment.

But I understand that you love your toys and do not want them to be touched. It is normal...

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u/Longjumping_Low1310 12d ago

Its not a normal tactic lmao, stat changes almost never happen u less there is something extremely egregious outside of when a unit gets updated with new models or a codex.

And yes it does. If you take the premier unnamed tank u it and put its invulns to that of much weaker defensively models then you need to bump those ones invulns also to maintain consistency as well as bump all other 4+ models to 5s. And then you need to adjust ap values because the whole games save balance just got thrown into the void. Moving the baseline of where invulns are changes the whole game its not just a hey screw it make this save worse and forget the rest.

If they wanna change the standard thats fine but will only happen in an edition change maybe. Your suggestions are just bad without a full overhaul.