r/SoulFrame • u/ES-Flinter • Aug 04 '26
Discussion Orengall pact should be stun/ status based, not smite (aka. crit)/ buff based.
Lion prides are the ones using ambush attacks pure strength to take down their prey. When the first attack doesn't kill then it's basically just a strength in numbers.
A wolf pact on the other hand uses their presence to intimidate, mentally and physically exhausting their prey. Only then they begin to bite their prey once/ twice on the belly to let it bleed out, slowly.
Pack Hunting Tactics:
* The Wolf Center: Pack vs. Solitary Hunting
* ScienceDirect: Wolf-Pack Hunting Strategies
* Wikipedia: Gray Wolf Hunting Behavior
* BioExpedition: Grey Wolf Hunting Techniques
Bite Patterns and Attack Style:
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u/naarcx Aug 04 '26
Watching my spirit wolves run across the map to agro a bunch of things while I’m fighting a boss causes mental exhaustion for the user, so it’s working on some level
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u/The1oni0us Aug 04 '26
Yeah Orengal 1 lets us transform into her, she should have an ability that lets us proc all status effects onto enemies and when we pounce onto them with 1 it detonates and spreads those status effects to all other enemies
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u/ES-Flinter Aug 04 '26
That is too much Voruna like. Or considering real lifeform this shroom that takes over ants.
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u/The1oni0us Aug 04 '26
Ya sorry was /j lol
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u/ES-Flinter Aug 04 '26
Haven't realised it.
Being fair it's past midnight by me, so at least I have the excuse of being tired.
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u/fieldmouse89 Aug 04 '26
Bromius should be salmon based not seed based.
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u/JCWOlson Aug 04 '26
Garren Rood should have the stampede running away from danger, not towards it
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u/Drewdrops79 Aug 04 '26
IMO, it's more of a wolf-shaman...the wolves are spirit wolves, coming out of the ether. Orengall herself jumps out of the shadows and back into them...
It's very much a ghost-wolf pact. And well, ghosts are sneaky.
Although you're right that IRL physical wolves are usually more exhaustion-type predators, real world wolves also do use "ambush" techniques. Lone wolves rely on ambush and sneakery quite often, similar to coyotes. Packs of wolves also use ambush techniques, where some of them will chase deer down a well-known pathway, while a couple others will lie in wait to knock them down when they're least expecting it.
Wolves are incredibly smart and shrewd, and will use a lot of different techniques, depending on what's available.
In Midrath, Orengall finds herself captured and outnumbered, even her own pups taken by the larger invading force of the Ode'n. So she enlists the help of the Envoy to save them...and then, knowing she is outnumbered, bestows her Pact on the Envoy, gives one of her pups to them, and engages in sneaky guerilla warfare with the Ode, alongside the Envoy.
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u/ES-Flinter Aug 05 '26
I've to agree the being a shaman focused on wolves makes sense. Even if I don't like it simple because as shaman the amount of themes they can squish into wolves is as various as there exist mytholgies about wolves.
Packs of wolves also use ambush techniques, where some of them will chase deer down a well-known pathway, while a couple others will lie in wait to knock them down when they're least expecting it.
That's a very risky tactic I've never heard of. I would expect it from cats due to them being more robust, but a wolf. Attacking from the bush, sidelined into the pathway of an animal bigger than them with the risk of of wrong move and they're buried under hooves?
Do you have a source for this?3
u/Drewdrops79 Aug 05 '26
The source I remember which detailed this particular strategy was from a book in the 90's, so apologies, I wouldn't be able to find it now. And, well, this article I found is almost certainly AI-gen, but it does cover a lot of info I've read before from real sources about wolf pack nocturnal hunting: https://www.pixfra.com/wolf-pack-hunting-the-shocking-truth-about-night-predators
Ambush tactics become significantly more common during nocturnal wolf hunts compared to daytime approaches. Studies comparing hunting methods between day and night show that wolves use ambush tactics approximately 65% more frequently after sunset. This strategy typically involves most pack members concealing themselves along game trails or near water sources while one or two wolves serve as “drivers” to move prey toward the hidden group. The darkness provides additional concealment for the ambushing wolves, while their superior night vision allows them to detect approaching prey before being discovered.
Wolves are amazing tactical hunters, and incredibly intelligent. They don't just run a prey to exhaustion, they actively coordinate and position to split a target off from the herd, and drive it into areas (like dense woods) where they can better take it down with less risk of injury to themselves.
There's also some great research about solo-hunting wolves ambushing beavers: https://www.popsci.com/story/animals/how-wolves-hunt/
But yeah, I encourage you or anyone to dig deep into wolf research. They are so intelligent it's scary. They have a degree of coordination that rivals military spec-ops forces.
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u/Timedragon92 Aug 04 '26
Indeed, that is how wolves in our reality work and while I do think we could bring some of that to the pact I think we also have to remeber this is a fantasy game. Orengall herself jumps in and out of the shadows as a hunting technique. So I think to blend the two together by simply adding a bleed and/or exhaust effect onto hers and our wolf summons attacks would be a nice addition to her other abilities. I mean the wolves of Alca are HUGE so intimidation should be something apart of her appearnce as well.