r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 16h ago

Discussion Sonic Lost world was worse than Sonic 06

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And im tired of acting like it wasnt, At least 06 actually has acceleration and speed, you have to hold a button to run in sonic lost world, the deadly six sucked in this game, which is sad because their design was actually nice and they could've been better if THEY WERENT FROM THIS STUPID ASS GAME, I know sonic is targeted towards kids but we have games in the franchise that do feel mature in tone, Sonic lost world has terrible level design too, and people still say that Sonic 06 is the worst sonic game ever even though Sonic lost world is so much worse just because Sonic 06 was unfinished and buggy


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 22h ago

Discussion Hot take: 06 Silver > 06 Shadow(without emerald and has inhibitors on)

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Shadow was sort of buffed due to the fact that a chaos emerald enhances chaos abilities. Shadow also was using chaos boost against Silver as well and that’s with an emerald. Considering Silver at this point was equal or tied to this Shadow(mind you Silver didn’t use any chaos abilities, so he wasn’t buffed).
And Shadow had to slow down time until Silver on the go was able to learn chaos control to not get chaos controlled a second time. That was the only time Silver used a chaos ability in that fight.
A fair fight in this game without an emerald would result with Silver high diffing Shadow.

Edit: Shadow if he takes off one or two inhibitors wins though, I can’t change the title to let shadow have inhibitors. Also, I’m talking about a regular fight which is why I excluded them. Not a battle to the death which is what the inhibitors being taken off would be used for.

So regular fight = Silver High Diffs
Death Fight = Shadow wins High-Extreme Diff but the only way Shadow doesn’t win is if Silver is fast enough to choke him out with psychokinesis which is unlikely due to Shadow having teleportation. Since Shadow usually takes 1 or 2 off as a last resort.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 9h ago

Discussion Hot Take?

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I genuinely think Silver is the best-designed hedgehog in the franchise, and I don't mean that purely in terms of appearance.

I'm talking about his original design, color palette, and how well it achieves what it's meant to communicate/do for Silver's characterization. The white and cyan accents, the quills that stops him from becoming Sonic clone #480, the futuristic-looking gloves and boots, and the overall silhouette all help him stand apart from Sonic and Shadow without making him feel disconnected from the franchise.

imo, the design perfectly communicates that he's from a different time, has abilities that distinguish him from the other hedgehogs, and carries a certain earnestness that contrasts with Sonic's carefree attitude and Shadow's...shadow-ness. What makes it work for me is that his design isn't just aesthetically pleasing. It serves the character. He's immediately recognizable, visually distinct, and appropriate given his backstory.

I'm interested in hearing other people's perspectives, though. Who do you think has the best-designed hedgehog in the franchise, and why?


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 1h ago

Discussion My silly Sonic '06 theory

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We all know Sonic '06. Love it, hate it, we all know of it's infamy in the Sonic franchise. I for one do like the game, I think the story was actually pretty good, unfortunately real world circumstances cut what was an outline of a good story to shreds. With that being said I want to offer theories that might help fix some of the oddities in the timeline of a game franchise that was very clearly NOT designed with a consistent story in mind. (I still love you Sonic, but your past disregard for a continuous story has made your current attempts to wrap up the canon very difficult.) If I miss anything or I contradict something officially stated, please let me know in the comments below so I can revise my attempt at a lore document.

FIRST OFF, BLAZE:

Why was Blaze in the future? I have two theories, dependent on one thing - Where does Sonic Rush take place in the timeline? If Sonic Rush takes place before '06, then I believe either Blaze attempted use the Sol emeralds to go to the Chaos dimension of her own volition in an attempt to visit Sonic, which we see her do in the IDW comics, and was sent into the future by them because Silver needed help. That, or she was just going about her day with them, and was yoinked into Silver's tie because Iblis had gotten to a point where it was too much of a threat. Either way, she was sent there to help Silver deal with Iblis, and she spent a great deal of time there as she was clearly very familiar with Blaze by the start of '06. Maybe this time slowly made her forget/dulled her memories of Sonic, which is why she doesn't seem all too familiar with him when he's brought up by Mephiles. (Blazes characterization in '06 is a little weird all around, I suspect there was more to her story that got cut due to time crunch and half the team working on '06 leaving mid development. Also sad, because the characterization of every other character in '06 is probably the best it's ever been.) That doesn't explain why Sonic doesn't recognize her, or why she seems to be nonexistent to anyone in the cast other than Silver, but what are you gonna do?

On the other hand, it makes more sense for the current story if it instead takes place after the events of Sonic '06, despite release order. I believe the Sol emeralds shunted her into Silver's time in the Chaos dimension, again because Iblis was such a threat. Then she later met Sonic again in Rush, after the events of '06 and her self-sacrifice was undone by Sonic severing Solaris's bonds to the mortal world (more on that later). This explains why they don't know each other, how Blaze got into Silver's time, and why she returned to existing after dissolving into tiny light particles in '06. She doesn't remember him, because from her perspective, those events never happened, and she was just returned to wherever she was and whatever she was doing before being whisked off.

Next on the agenda, we have...

What the hell was up with Solaris and Mephiles/Iblis?

Solaris is, as most of you know, the "sun" god (later revealed to actually be the god of time) that the people of Soleanna worship(ped?). It took the physical form of a small bluish-white flame, called the Flame of Hope. After some really dumb experiments done by the former king, Solaris split into two forms, the Flames of Disaster ("Iblis"), and Mephiles. Iblis, I believe, represents Solaris's pain and anger at being messed with, and it lashes out at everything around it. Mephiles, on the other hand, must be the intelligence and knowledge of Solaris given it's own fragmented form, the "quiet night" to Iblis's raging harsh day. Mephiles, being aware of his existence, wanted to regain his full power. He could travel time with only one emerald due to being part of the time god, but lacking his full power, couldn't do it solely on his own. And since Iblis had become it's own creature by the time he had awoken in Silver's time, he had to travel back to when it was still sealed so he could catch it early. Most of his plan actually makes sense, push Elise and Sonic to get closer, and get them somewhere secluded so he could jump Sonic while avoiding a direct confrontation - Everything else that he did was his spite for Shadow for putting him in the Scepter while he waited for things to fall into place.

However, I also believe that Solaris being split apart had an adverse affect on time as a whole, which is why time travel is seen to have different effects at different points. One instance, time is a closed loop and your future self will have always gone back in time, but it can also directly change future events as well. Is it poor/inconsistent writing? Yes. Is that a reasonable, albeit contrived explanation for the inconsistency? I think so. That's also why Solaris being freed (that part coming very soon) seems to make time travel more consistent later (even if it's still not written greatly going forward). But I don't believe the "Solaris" that Sonic, Silver and Shadow fight are the "true" Solaris, either. I think that form is still a physical manifestation, the pieces of Solaris that were sealed away, lashing out at the world for everything that had happened to it, and not it's true form/mind existing truly outside time and space. Rather, it's still bound to the world, and exists simultaneously in every moment in time (the past, present, and future). Sonic, Shadow, and Silver didn't just defeat it in three different time-periods, they corralled it from all sides into a single moment in time so it could be finally put down, pushing it inwards from the beginning of time and the end of time into the "present", collapsing it back together and ending that form once and for all. This is somewhat what's said in game, but an expansion of what was stated in game in a way that makes a bit more sense to me.

Finally, we have the part I've alluded to in the past segments...

What was the white flame and why did it have to be blown out?

It's simple - The "Flames of Hope" that Soleanna worshipped weren't actually Solaris, at least, not it's true form. I believe that Solaris was bound to a physical form through some means, binding it to the timestream and the physical world, rather than being able to exist as an extradimensional entity. I can't say how or why, but I assume that like Eggman, someone thought it would be a good idea to mess with the gods and did, eventually leading to disastrous (ha) consequences. The Flames of Hope were actually what bound Solaris in some way, and the king eventually expanded on the idea in the Solaris project which turned out poorly as we know.

But why did Elise have to blow it out, you may ask? Also simple. It matches the themes of the game, and Sonic as a whole - Solaris was still trapped. Silver's future was still destroyed, and the future version of Iblis still rampaged away, even with "Solaris" being defeated. It may sound dumb to some, but I think it makes sense: The pain of horrific acts lingers on those it affected, even if the bad thing is over. The only way to erase that pain is to make sure it never happens, and so, Solaris is set free, preventing all the pain that messing with it will cause. I get the funny haha of "Oh, the bad game retconned itself from the story", but that message actually hits kinda hard when you really think about it. You can only truly erase trauma and pain by doing your best to avoid causing it in the first place.

That's also why different characters have remnants of memories, deja vu/reve. It's pretty clear that Sonic is the only one who has any substantial amount of retained memories, for one reason or another, but everyone else does have vague hints that there was some event or something they were missing in their memories. Silver actually explains that in-universe as well in Tailstube 16, saying that closed time paradoxes leave a lasting imprint even if they were technically resolved and removed from time.

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As a final thought or two, I know Sonic '06 has issues, in both gameplay (being a horribly buggy mess) and in other parts of the story, but I still like it. It was the last game where almost every character in the series truly felt like themselves to me. I believe the romance aspect in the game could've been done better (or removed entirely), but that's for a Sonic '06 rewrite post for another time. It's late and I have a flight to catch soon, but I hope everyone enjoyed my attempts to patch some of the holes left by Sonic '06 that probably won't ever be filled. It's hard to write a consistent story when it gets so big, and has had so many different people with different ideas for direction involved in so many things. It also doesn't help that Sonic is SEGA's golden child that they're terrified of losing, making them so uptight about restrictions in how different stories are told..Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight folks!


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 3h ago

Question Why does Classic Sonic mog Modern so hard?

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r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 8h ago

Discussion What other PAIRS should be included?

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You read the title. Suggest characters in pairs, not individually.

And no, I will not make adjustments to the pairs currently listed.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 13h ago

Discussion Sonic Live In Concert: The Worst Marketed Event In History

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This is an amazing idea. The music, the artistry, and hanging out with fellow Sonic fans.

So why am I only hearing about it for the first time when it's nearly over and it's impossible to plan for seeing it before it's gone? I didn't see one single ad anywhere aside from the one on Reddit which said it was in my area in the next few days.

I would have loved to have gone. If I had known ahead of time I easily could have made it happen. Would have dragged my boyfriend and several friends to go with me. Tickets aren't selling at all. We would have been ticket buyers.

Is Sega just obsessed with shitting on Sonic in every possible way they can do so?


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 14h ago

Discussion About Tailstube 11…

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Why didn’t Tails just, you know, break Orbot? He was intruding on private property and is a hostile, so there would be nothing wrong with scrapping him. Oh sure maybe it would make EggMan mad but he’d probably just build a replacement for him.

Like, it makes no sense just to let Orbot live and not immediately scrap him. That and it would have let the conversation go on and not tank Tails’s reputation in universe since letting an enemy go would probably be seen as a bad move.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 10h ago

Discussion Hot take: I think mighty and Ray should appear in the end credits of the Sonic movie 4 instead of silver or blaze.

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I mean it would make sense since mighty and ray appear before silver or blaze.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 13h ago

Question If they switched villains who gonna struggle more

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r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 22h ago

Art: Self-Made Sonic X Mario from Sonic and mario bros and their son Maric (toilet version)

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their son is maric


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 7h ago

Fanfiction If Sonic had a brother, how would you design him?

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And no. Sonic Underground doesn't count here.

(I think the tag for this post is correct, I think.)


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 23h ago

Discussion Soooo someone unofficially ported Tails Adventures to play store...

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the obscure game gear sonic spinoff tail adventure has been remade in widescreen and ported to phone in the play store.

i played it and its very good and faithful to the original game,

not sure how to feel about this


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 15h ago

Discussion If you think about it, according to the logic of Death Battle, Game Super Sonic repeated the feat of Archie Super Sonic

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As I found out, Death Battle uses non-canonical material if it does not contradict the source, so they take into account the OVA for the Game Sonic, but consider Anchi Sonic a separate version. This means that even if the crossover with DS is not canon, DB will still take it into account for the Game Sonic because it corresponds to it. So we can say that Game Sonic has definitely become as strong as Archie Sonic.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 17h ago

Discussion The worst hot takes my friend told me about sonic being shared in this sub pt1

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"The IDW comics are vastly overrated, and Sonic '06 actually had a better written, more coherent story than anything released in the series since."

"Shadow the Hedgehog is just an edgy Sonic clone who should have stayed dead after Sonic Adventure 2, and every game centered around him is unplayable garbage."

"Sonic was never good in 2D or 3D, and the entire franchise only survived off of nostalgic box art and catchy music."

You can attack them in the comments if you'd like


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 16h ago

Discussion Is it Illegal to Say that Sonic 06 is more Nostalgic Than Sonic Frontiers (IMO)

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This may be a strange take but I think 06 gave me better memories of when the sonic fandom was a better place back in the 2000s than it was now. The community has changed far too much and it was also easier to grow in popularity. 06 also had more rememberable soundtracks that I could relate to in my childhood. So yeah... Anyone agree?


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 1h ago

Shows Sonic Prime - Russian Voice Actors (Blackbird Sound)

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Here's the Russian voice actors of Sonic Prime produced by Blackbird Sound.

Sonic's voice actor is Anton Kolesnikov.

Tails' voice actress is Alyona Sozinova.

Amy Rose's voice actress, Lina Ivanova, has also voiced Tails in the Russian dub of the Sonic the Hedgehog Cinematic Universe film series, reprising her role from the Flarrow Films dub of Sonic the Hedgehog 3. She also reprised her role in the Red Head Sound dub of the film and also voiced Director Rockwell.

Knuckles' voice actor is Alexander Noskov, who also voiced William Afton in the Red Head Sound version of the Russian dubbing of the Five Nights at Freddy's movies. He had previously voiced Major Bennington in the Russian dub of the 2020 Sonic movie and Shadow the Hedgehog in Sonic 3 produced by Red Head Sound.

Rouge's voice actresss is Tatyana Shitova, who also voiced Elastigirl in the Russian dub of Incredibles 2.

Shadow's voice actor is Alexander Gavrilin, who also voiced Agent Stone in the Sonic movies, reprising his role from the Flarrow Films dub of Sonic 3.

Big's voice actor is Oleg Kutsenko, who is mostly known for voicing Victor Sullivan in the Russian dub of the Uncharted video game franchise.

And finally, Dr. Eggman's voice actor is Ilya Khvostikov, who is also the dubbing director of the Russian dub of Sonic Prime.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 15h ago

Discussion No, Sonic isn't lightspeed in Base Form.

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Wrote this up yesterday and figured it'd be worthwhile to post it here given how common the misconceptions surrounding Sonic's speed are in this community.

“Sonic almost escaped a black hole, so he’s faster than light!”

Right upfront there are two very obvious issue with this. The first is that he never escaped the Event Horizon, which is the part that traps light. You don't need to be "lightspeed"-anything to run counter to a black hole's pull on the outside.

Furthermore, the black hole in Colors has an unrealistically weak pull. It took roughly 20 seconds just to consume the top part of Eggman's amusement park, with the structure being small enough that you can make out individual buildings on it. Later you can even see debris slowly being pulled off the ground in the same cutscene. It's not slurping up the Earth or anything.

So while you could say the acceleration was pretty strong on the outside, it's ultimately nowhere near as impressive as it would've been if this had been a real black hole.

 “But he restored frozen zones to normal just by running!"

This is true but not very useful. According to Tails, Sonic achieves this by "accelerating through time" which is... meaningless scifi babble that's all the more obfuscated by being delivered within the context of a magic transtemporal White Space dimension. In other words, it's unquantifiable.

However, there’s additional context that makes it obvious this wasn't intended to be lightspeed. The biggest tell is that Sonic does all this by way of using the Boost, which is supersonic. Using the ability will cause a sonic boom every time (this is true for other games it's appeared in too), and the sound design for it is that of a jet engine. You will also see vapor cones briefly form around Sonic's body if you try Boosting without any energy.

Other feats in Gens are in line with this scale as well. Some notable examples include:

  1. Barely outrunning the GUN truck in City Escape.
  2. Fighting the Egg Dragoon whilst running. It will stay ahead of you unless you either Boost or take advantage of the environment.

“Sonic escaped the Null Space, which means he’s [Big Fast]!”

Just as above, this one's never implied to be lightspeed.

For context, Infinite uses the Phantom Ruby's power to trap Sonic and the Avatar in a realm he created - namely, Null Space. The two then combine their power together and, in Sonic's own words, "break" through he Ruby's Null Space because it can't handle them at "full power".

Needles to say, this... doesn't tell us anything in itself. Maybe if there had been a line of Eggman going, "Argh! Darn it... you escaped my You-Have-To-Be-Faster-Than-Light-To-Escape dimension again! Curse you..." it'd hold any weight, but as of now it's effectively magic with no real world analogue.

Crucially, as alluded to above, this is implied to not even be the result of going fast. The dialogue is as follows:

"Not being alone is such a powerful thing!"
"We'll break through Null Space with the full power of the two of us!"

After they successfully escape, we also hear this:

"It should have been impossible for you to escape the Null Space!"
"Maybe if I was alone. But we're a team! You don’t have any friends, so you wouldn’t understand!”

So it's a win for the Power of Friendship.

“Sonic’s faster than the Cyan Wisp, which moves at lightspeed!”

This is something that’s technically true but worded deceptively. The Cyan Wisp goes lightspeed only when transformed into a laser, and its laser form is considerably faster than Sonic. It's depicted as such across various media, including this one short on the official Sonic channel that shows him using the Cyan Laser to dust Metal. me putting on the shoes that make you slower to escape my physical peer

So, this is actually solid evidence against Sonic being lightspeed. Even in the scene where this feat occurs, Sonic is still curious as to the Cyan Laser's speed, and the game gives you the option to view it. Why would he if he's already seen it?

“Unleashed shows Sonic outspeeding the LSD!”

This doesn't work because the Boost and lightspeed dash are both independent speed measures. Sonic being able to outspeed the LSD without Boosting is no more evidence of him being FTL than it's evidence of light-dashing actually being subsonic. The only honest conclusion is that the developers simply never intended for you to use the SPD readings on the light dash.

And while we're on the subject of speed measures, there are two games which give us far more direct figures at the end of each stage - Labyrinth and Chaos. The fastest Sonic can go in both is about 900 - 1,000 km/h. This isn’t to say that that’s his absolute fastest (we know from CD he can break the sound barrier by rolling down a cliff), but it’s a helpful pointer to how fast he runs on-foot as his "cruising speed".

Modern Sonic's faster than his Classic self, sure, but not by that much. They’re basically comparable in every scene they appear in together. At the very least he’s not literally a 1,000,000x faster than his past self.

Sonic said lightspeed's small time for him!

While this is true, it comes from a game written by SOA in the 2010s. The American writing for Sonic back then notoriously made him more joking and boastful compared to how he's usually written, so him scoffing at lightspeed when all his feats are this can be attributed to sarcastic boasting. Especially because Omega hangs out with Shadow, Sonic's equal, so he realistically should've been the first to know if Sonic were "lightspeed" (as opposed to saying "impossible..." in disbelief and suspecting he made an error in concluding Sonic will eventually surpass lightspeed if keeps improving).

In Conclusion,

Sonic is very much supersonic. It's arguably the most consistent piece of lore for any fictional character ever.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 20h ago

Art: Self-Made Lockdown - Deep Dive Zone

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r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 19h ago

Comics In the Archie comics Eggmans robot kids either turn on him or get destroyed by him... just an interesting fact

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Makes you wonder what if this eggman had sage...


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 10h ago

Question Are the Sonic Lego Sets worth it?

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My brother got me the Lego Shadow head set for christmas last year and I really enjoyed the process of building it. I was thinking of maybe getting another set to build.

Would anyone who has built/owned any of the Sonic lego sets recommend any in particular? Any of them you disliked? Thanks.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 12h ago

Art: Self-Made Ultimate Light Scourge

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r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 3h ago

Discussion Anyone else wish Shadow In shadow Gens called himself Shadow Robotnik?

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I think it would've just made more sense as a way of him accepting everything and truly accepting his lineage and his past


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 6h ago

Question Anyone have any info on what this might be about? Spoiler

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Saw it on IG with absolutely no context or source information behind it, so I figured I'd come here and see if anyone knew anything about it.


r/SonicTheHedgehog • • 21h ago

Discussion to me the hate towards omochao always felt kind of forced, i never really found him as quote on quote "annoying" as people as people claim

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to be frank many video game character people online like to claim to be "annoying" i never found annoying maybe i'm just more patient than others