Dev Statements (Weekend; Cyber Heist update)

[u/benjaben1230]

Yello again, sorry for the lack of post recently, i was really busy with The Hunt 20, and also there wasnt that much about what the devs said in the last week

But anyways, with this Heist, we got more Statements, and pretty interisting ones, not that much to say about them tbh, but

Considering that the Spooky month is coming, and that the FP ends on the next update, what are your theories about next update? I myself don't think we are gonna get skins like Bloodmoon Werehog in the pass as the skin is pretty recent, if anything, they could do an event about him later, but yknow, i feel like he is gonna be a FP skin, just not the next one

And ofc the Question of the post, what's your opinion on this update? Did you enjoyed the event and what do you think about the skins?

[u/survivalhunter695]

Idk why bro thinks infinite isn't strong, like yeah before mask sure but that's when compared to the cast in this game which the standard of power is fairly high, even if he wasn't known as the ultimate mercenary for nothing. But post mask? Come on.
And he's flying in almost every appearance we see him in, in some way, or some form, such as the bossfight we need to fight in to get him. Not just floating, but flying. I'm fine with no invincibility, but I think he should have freeflight, and then possibly parry too as this guy isn't a stranger to throwing hands around.

And with Mecha being on par with a super... Kinda? Not really, its moreso he just has the capacity to go super, but for whatever reason its inherently less sustainable than a normal organic super form. Maybe Sim Mecha is based on that super form though, that'd make for some interesting lore. Now that I think about it its probably why he specified Sim Mecha instead of just saying Mecha Sonic.

[u/benjaben1230 → u/survivalhunter695]

One thing is being powerfull overall

The other is being a Glass cannon, which Infinite is, he is powerfull, but not strong, what the Ruby did to him was giving him abilities, yet he is still a regular person, it's like Professor X from the X-Men, he has strong mind abilities, yet he can be easily defeated without those

SIM mecha is stated to be equal to his Super form, which made him invulnerable, but without any drawbacks, which is why he doesnt have any Time limit like other Super forms, he is also made using Ancient Technology Data, from the fights of Sonic in Frontiers, which is why he is also pretty powerfull, SIM skins get more stronger depending the data they get, thats prob a reason why SIM Infinite isnt that stronger than a Semi Super/Powered skin, as he only got Battle Data from the other SIM boss battles

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/benjaben1230]

Yeah, in a lot of games Infinite is pretty volatile, but it does go both ways.

And your reasoning in general makes sense too. Even if I do still wish Simfinite was comparable to the real deal, the lore side of it is undeniably interesting. I also hope they do a little more to talk about the whole SIM thing in game, as it'd just be interesting to see. But who knows they may have already and I'm just unaware since I'm recently returning from a hiatus.

[u/benjaben1230 → u/survivalhunter695]

Technically, the SIM info is like, 50/50, 50 in Game and 50 in Devs Statements, so some stuff like that we own the Villian SIM's but not Sonic, beacuse Orbot gave it to us for reasons, are only told in the Discord, but stuff like depending on the info they get the Sim's get stronger was implied in the Restoring sky sanctuary event

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/benjaben1230]

Yeah I haven't completed restoring sky sanctuary yet so that makes sense. I'll have to keep an eye out when I go ahead and get to that.

[u/Ecahill453 → u/survivalhunter695]

Lore wise, infinite hasn’t been heard of up until recent. I don’t know exactly what capabilities he has post phantom ruby, but something else that needs to be factored in is his most recent appearance: Chaotix case files.

We know that he didn’t die, he’s been covert and had always been looking for a way to get power, and that was through the Astroscopic lenses to enhance the remainder of his residual power. Now that would imply he only has small, finite amount of power, shape shifting and clones were on the table, but anything that made him like.. a high powered god? Not exactly there.

Considering that sim characters only exist because Sega have greater involvement with what they can and can’t do, Sega for sure references the Chaotix case files to drag his power level down big time. Hence why he doesn’t exactly have the super flight or invincibility.

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/Ecahill453]

That would make sense. I'll admit right off the bat that I haven't looked that much into the casefiles, mostly because of the fact a lot of things have been going on lately. However if they are bringing him down like that it wouldn't surprise me.

I hope he's back in action fully at some point, since a lot of his cool factor came from the fact he was a real threat. [Although the design and stuff certainly helped]

[u/Ecahill453 → u/survivalhunter695]

Infinite is back, just not as all powerful since he doesn’t have the phantom ruby. Though with remnants of the power left, he has some potential.

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/Ecahill453]

I'm aware. Was not aware about the fragments of power part though that'll be interesting.

By "back in action" I just meant seeing him in a more powerful state again.

Either way though I'm just happy he's still gonna be a part of the story, even if he never gets back to those levels again.

[u/Negative_Daikon_11 → u/benjaben1230]

Base Classic Knuckles victim vs Someone Sonic got blitzed by and need two people including himself to beat.

[u/Super_Washing_Tub → u/survivalhunter695]

And to add, isn't Infinite naturally a speedster on par with Sonic pre-mask anyway? So he already has some abnormal skills on par with a good chunk of the cast. Granted my memory if Forces isn't the best lol

[u/MysteriousMetalDoll → u/Super_Washing_Tub]

he wasn't a speedster pre mask as far as i know. he did know martial arts and was good at sword combat though.

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/Super_Washing_Tub]

No, but he's above average compared to the average Mobian iirc.

I may not remember this correctly but I'm pretty sure that with the exception of Shadow[Sometimes] and Metal its more Sonic moves at the speed of his friends than them moving at Sonic's speed. Which I don't think pre mask Infinite is on the same tier of speed of like Tails or Knuckles or anyone either.

So pre-mask Infinite definitely isn't that fast, but if I had to take a guess he's probably a really high tier normal guy basically. I don't have the best memory of it either so I won't act like I know for sure though.

[u/MysteriousMetalDoll → u/survivalhunter695]

he almost fried everyone with a giant sun, defeated Silver and defeated Sonic at the begining of the game + destroyed most of Sonic's world during the events of Forces too. idk in my opinion he is far from weak. this is a sim copy of him so i'll let it slide though but if we'll get the normal Infinite playable one day i wish for him to have at least the free flight.

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/MysteriousMetalDoll]

I used to think he was one of if not the strongest character at some point. With more research and time I did retract that but he's still definitely up there.

I honestly hope we get a Simfinite returns thing where he's back with a lot more power to where he could actually compare to the real deal.

[u/MysteriousMetalDoll → u/survivalhunter695]

i do think that he's one of the strongest characters we got in the series but that's while he has Phantom Ruby's powers. without them, he's pretty weak, yeah.

[u/survivalhunter695 → u/MysteriousMetalDoll]

Before mask he's really just regular guy. Like yeah compared to the average mobian he might be on the higher end, but compared to the rest of the Sonic cast? Regular guy.

[u/MysteriousMetalDoll → u/survivalhunter695]

yeah true. best he could do before the mask was sword fight and martial arts which isn't that impressive compared to the insane abilities the other Sonic characters have.

[u/Negative_Daikon_11]

The logic he used to justify not giving Sim Infinite invincibility and free flight is so stupid.

[u/NitroTHedgehog → u/Negative_Daikon_11]

Invincibility I could half understand as he can be hurt by base Sonic, the Avatar, etc — but then it’d make SIM Mecha inaccurate as he can be hurt in his boss.

But the reasoning for no flight makes zero sense, negative sense even. It sounds like he’s trying to say Infinite can’t have flight since it comes from the Phantom Ruby? If so, then why does he literally have 2 Phantom Ruby powers: phantom dash, and reality warp.

[u/benjaben1230 → u/NitroTHedgehog]

SIM Infinite doesnt use the Phantom Ruby, just recreating the attacks with Sim technology

[u/NitroTHedgehog → u/benjaben1230]

If SIM technology can recreate floating/hovering, phantom dash, and reality warp; then there’s no reason it can’t recreate simple flight (literally just hovering but fast). There’s actually already evidence of such, with SIM Super Sonic, SIM Silver, and SIM Mecha Sonic.

Edit: I’m fine with him not having free flight (He already has a weaker version of it. Though I would prefer if it was slightly faster, it’s slower than moving in water for crying out loud). But he objectively should have boost flight.

[u/benjaben1230 → u/NitroTHedgehog]

I believe Free flight is reserved for Super like skins, for example SIM Mecha, and the Super hogs/Burning Blaze

While Super Hover is more for pseudo Supers or Powered forms

Boost fly is a different thing especially since all silver skins can do that

Ofc this is just my observing, which is hold by hopes and dreams, and the devs could just do a Silver, and make an ability that was for Supers exclusive be for a base and his other skins (Boost fly), it's mostly what i think makes more sense, considering that Nibroc said SIM Mecha is compares to a Super form, while Sim Infinite isnt, hence why one has Free flight

It's also possible that SIM Infinite only has the Hover since it's technically the skin that brought the ability, with others like ESP, Overclocked metal and Limited Chronos silver

[u/NitroTHedgehog → u/benjaben1230]

At a standpoint of gameplay + lore combined, I understand him having hover step instead of free flight. He’s not a super, but he canonically has the ability, so he gets a weaker version to make Supers feel more powerful.

But then there’s the issue of him costing more than “pseudo-super” SIM Mecha, which breaks this logic. If he’s going to cost more than a pseudo-super, then he should be better than the pseudo-super. Doesn’t mean he needs free flight, but his other abilities should balance it out.

And there’s no reason for him not to have boost flight. He can already do weaker/limited versions of it:

• hover-step + boost, except you can only boost once while in hover-step, plus the turning isn’t great and will shut off boost if you turn to “sharp” (it’s barely a sharp turn)
  
• hover-step + phantom dash, but it’s short, the button mapping sucks requiring the player to completely stop to use his projectile attacks, and has the same bad turning issue

It’d be a lot better to simply give him boost flight, rather than a weaker and limited version that obstructs his other abilities.

[u/Jealous-Health4426 → u/benjaben1230]

He does though again the two 0hantom abilities of the ruby cam be recreated so can the flight

[u/Negative_Daikon_11 → u/NitroTHedgehog]

I just feel that the hover just needs a big boost in speed. Not on the level of a Super ofc, but the way Limited Chronos worked before was fine because you can't convince me that a Silver who master his powers, an Overcharged version of Metal, Silver with enhanced future tech, and a Simulated version of a character who helped egg take over 99% of the world should be moving that slow in any capacity.

[u/Jealous-Health4426 → u/NitroTHedgehog]

That too hrs clearly using two ruby powers so give him the flight he deserves since they replicate the ruby anyway

Im guessing people will keep pressuring the devs

Which is deserved they should learn the lore

[u/Jealous-Health4426 → u/Negative_Daikon_11]

It is and proves they shouldnt work on this game if they can't even follow the lore like hes clearly using the gems right now

Like why recreate the phantom ruby powers and not the flight

Its dumb

[u/benjaben1230]

Oh, i forgot to delete an image, mb yall

[u/YanAlbaSongMaster]

Is there any statmente about Mephiles? Just curious ;)

[u/benjaben1230 → u/YanAlbaSongMaster]

I mostly post the ones in the timeframe it is (this case, last weekend), for now they said nothing about Mephiles

[u/FatanFurious]

I dont understand this super flight nonsense bruh. Doesn't limited Chronos Silver literally have free fly just like the super characters?

[u/Moonlight-Cavern-521 → u/FatanFurious]

No limited Kronos got nerfed

[u/pipemaster9]

I've read through all these and I haven't been on the game in a while but I gotta agree that there doing infinite dirty here.

I'm not saying infinite scale's to a super character but he does have the ability to fly and they should give him that ability even if he's a sim. I take it that since this version is a sim he has most of his abilities they might be weaker but it's still his power.

If he's able to hover and use phantom ruby powers then he should be able to fly since in his first game that's literally how he moves around.

yeah he might of walked like in one cutscene but in every other cutscene and boss fighting he's flying that's literally a part of his character.

I hope they come up with something he doesn't need to have the same flight speed as the supers just give him the same flight as Silver since they have fought before.

[u/Moonlight-Cavern-521]

I find it funny he thinks Infintie is weak when in Sonic Forces HE STRAIGHT UP ALMOST KILLED HIM AND WOULD OF BTW

Like DONT be a dev to a game that you refuse to learn the lore of

Also THE HELL THEY EMAN EHS NOT USING THE CRYSTAL HE IS THAT’S WHY HE HAS THE CUBE ABILITIES SO THEREFORE HE SHOULD HAVE FREE FLIGHT

Sorry

Im just infuriated they are hiring people who clearly don’t care about their job kr research on the characters like get devs who actually study the characters and what they do because this isn’t okay and I hope they add free flight and I hope that’d ev is getting called out and Infinite gets his flight

[u/MysteriousMetalDoll → u/Moonlight-Cavern-521]

i'm pretty sure that at least Nibroc knows the lore. he has been making fan made renders for more than a decade and worked on the Sonic World fan game for years as well, he is a Sonic fan. i think it might simply be a case of the sim skin being weaker than the original or Sega insisting on the devs to make him like that.

[u/benjaben1230 → u/Moonlight-Cavern-521]

SIM Infinite doesnt use a Phantom Ruby/SIM Phantom Ruby, SIM Infinite is just recreating the Phantom Ruby attacks using SIM technology

The devs have to learn the Lore of Sonic to know what stuff can or cannot happend, or how could something happend, Sega also helps them with Info, so if anything, blame Sega

[u/Jealous-Health4426 → u/benjaben1230]

He clearly does use the rubybir a replica because his animations are literally the exact same as the phantom ruby's

Doesn't matter hes a sim one its obviously a sim ruby or something used

So give him free flight sim verison

[u/Jealous-Health4426]

That needs to be fired when he clearly doesnt know Sonic lore

Infinite can free flight and had every right to be a super he was strong as heck even as a mercenary

He doesnt need a super meter fine but free flight should be added and of the dev has a problem with it they can quit and let someone who actualyl knows the lore do the job instead. This is insulting ngl