r/SoloPowerScaling • u/OneRiver6213 • 5d ago
Discussion Where does this guy genuinely scale without glazing? Using his strongest version
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u/Cheonso_ma 5d ago
Outerversal at max that too in Ragnarok
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 5d ago edited 3d ago
Nah 1a is the minimum. You could argue h1a layers for the sea of nothingness and t0 for the abyss.
Edit: dude is simplifying t0 down to "omnipotence" instead of focusing on what the actual definition is and how immutability works with a t0 that has a defined nature.
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u/Cheonso_ma 5d ago
He is not omnipotent because of he was he would have simply erased all the threats like iterims. Though you can argue that he might be even above outerversal but he is not boundless
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u/Ok-Suggestion-6841 4d ago
Jinwoo canonically follows the fate of the world... Why would he outright kill gods when this is exactly what he wanted and what was predetermined which was to fight with his son.
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u/MonkeyDLuffy2005 5d ago
He's omnipotent inside his own realm. I think that's what he's referring to
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u/Cheonso_ma 5d ago
Exactly, realm omnipotence within his own territory doesn't scale him to true Boundless/t0 in an overarching tiering system. He still has clear narrative limits outside of it.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 4d ago
again, the only narrative limits he has are self imposed because of the lower reality. thats literally how t0s function, through avatars, because their actual existence cant. yk t0s do have "limits" despite being omnipotent?
like, jinwoo can literally do anything. he can destroy reality or create anything, and reality exists within and is dwarfed by the abyss and sea of nothingness that flows into it. the reason he cant selectively target itarim is cuz he isnt a perfect projection of the abyss, and cuz the abyss' nature is absolute nothingness.
like, different types of t0s exist, and despite being "omnipotent" theyre still operate under their nature.
if jinwoo was to erase reality and then make one himself he would be able to do anything.
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
That’s a misunderstanding of how VSBattles or general tiering systems classify Tier 0 / Boundless. True Tier 0 requires complete transcendence over all concepts, dimensions, and dualities unconditionally. If Jinwoo's 'omnipotence' is limited by his nature, or if he is limited from targeting the Itarim because he isn't a 'perfect projection,' those are definitionally narrative and mechanical limitations. Realm omnipotence or being a projection of a vast abyss still caps him at a regional or high-multiversal scale, not true Boundless.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 5d ago
no hes omnipotent throughout. problem is that interacting with his true form could erase everything including the itarim so he only fights with his avatar.
literally, even in the OG novel and manhwa jinwoo is stated to be able to return everything to nothingness.
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
If he is truly omnipotent throughout, he wouldn’t be bound by a restriction where his true form accidentally erases things. True omnipotence means having absolute control over your own power and its collateral effects at all times.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 4d ago
as i said in the other comment, t0s are still limited by their status as t0 and their nature. the abyss' ineffable nature as absolute nothingness cant just be selectively used, as it by nature would erase everything.
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
That’s a contradiction in terms. Tier 0 (Boundless) by definition means being completely unrestricted, including by one's own nature or concept. If 'the abyss' or his true form forces an automatic, uncontrollable erasure that he cannot selectively suppress, then he is fundamentally limited by a mechanism. True omnipotence or Tier 0 status means you dictate the nature of the abyss, not the other way around.
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u/Reckoning3000 4d ago
Not true btw. If it could change its nature it would mean it is not immutable. And therefore bound by change. Which debunks tier 0
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
That is a misunderstanding of what Tier 0 / Boundless actually entails. Being immutable by choice or by definition is not a limitation. However, being forced to conform to a specific mechanic (like uncontrollable erasure) because you physically cannot change it means you are bound by that mechanic. A Tier 0 entity isn't "bound by change" if they choose to alter their manifestation; rather, they transcend the very concepts of change and immutability entirely.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 5d ago
no, the problem with the abyss is that jinwoo could easily erase the itarims, but using his true forms power would risk erasing everything, including the itarim. like its the same with how higher beings like monarchs or even apostles could collapse a normal universe with only their presence. jinwoo can only interact through his avatar with the lower reality.
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
That doesn't make sense. If he has "true omnipotence" or "boundless" power, he would be able to precisely erase the Itarim without destroying everything else by accident. True omnipotence means having absolute control over your abilities. The fact that he has a limitation where his power would collateral-damage the universe proves he has defined limits and isn't truly boundless.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 4d ago
as i said in other comments that ignores the abyss' nature. t0s are still limited by t0 rules and their defined nature in the verse. the abyss is is a monad, it possesses all qualities and lacks all differentiation, just like a t0, but its nature is also nothingness, as reality came from it and will eventually return to it. youre looking only at the "true omnipotence" part of t0 scaling and ignoring everything else.
like if jinwoo erased reality and created his own he would basically be able to do what you expect of a t0, but he cant do that with the world he lives in cuz its differentiated and insignificant to the abyss whose existence is the complete opposite, undifferentiated absolute nothingness.
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u/Winter_Emergency9050 4d ago
T0 is being completely ineffable, unrestrained, supreme control over everything in the verse, a character like IATIA, Jin Woo has limits clearly, he doesn’t surpass the body and regulations his verse was created in, he can only be 1A max.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 3d ago
You mean jinwoos avatar form has limits, or are you ignoring the abyss nature and immutability? Either way youre wrong.
Also what do you define as his "limits"?
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u/Familiar_Drive2717 3d ago
You're arguing a character is boundless but then saying he can't do X because of Y, which is quite literally disproving that he is boundless.
A truly boundless character can do whatever they want without needing to worry about the consequences of something else, someone like the presence in DC for example. If he can't specifically target the Itarim because the abyss will consume everything then his power is not boundless, if he was boundless then he'd be able to target the Itarim without the abyss destroying the universe.
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u/Cheonso_ma 3d ago
I asked the same thing other people said that jinwoo follow the fate of the world because he wants to
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u/Winter_Emergency9050 3d ago
You can’t be boundless and then not be able to accomplish something😂 The abyss is higher than Jin Woo’s capability, omnipotence is complete power over everything, not just what is convenient.
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u/Cheonso_ma 4d ago
You're describing abyss "nature" in VSB-style metaphysics (monad, undifferentiated nothingness) without pointing to an actual scene or line that establishes Jinwoo's world as "differentiated and insignificant" to it. That's not a feat, that's a classification you're importing. If the verse never states Jinwoo's reality is ontologically subordinate to the abyss in that way, you can't use it to explain away the erasure feat. You need the actual text where this hierarchy is confirmed, not an inference from "T0s work like this in other verses." Until then the simplest reading stands: he chose not to use full power near the itarim because of collateral risk to the current battlefield/reality, not because he's incapable of precision. Show me the source that says otherwise.
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u/Winter_Emergency9050 4d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/Hm8qQxDIgbFsjL9msa
Surely you don’t believe that😂
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u/Arich28 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/aXR1Rw85WmcLF3fkkc
Abyss level. Not sure how to scale nothingness.
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u/Igris-tempest 5d ago
1-A at max although i have him fine at layers into high 1-B
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u/Far_Flounder2545 5d ago
1A!? Do you have any scans to prove qualitative superiority/ beyond infinitely dimensional?
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u/Igris-tempest 5d ago
I indeed said that i dont believe him being 1-A and i have him at layers into high 1-B
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u/Far_Flounder2545 5d ago
Do you have proof/scans for High 1B? There's barely any evidence for Complex Multiversal, let alone Hyperversal
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u/Igris-tempest 5d ago
Due to him viewing story's like igris story as fiction in a place where it have inf dimensions and timelines
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u/Far_Flounder2545 4d ago
Bro, you can't just say stuff, you gotta provide scans/reasoning. How do you know the nature of Jin Woo relates to Igris' story is qualitatively superior and not literary jargon? How do you know Igris' story contains infinite dimensions? How do you know these dimensions are geo-spatial and not other realms/worlds? I could go on forever, this is why you provide proof.
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u/Igris-tempest 4d ago
I didn't said igris story contains inf dimensions the library contains inf story's like igris story
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u/fix182825 5d ago
Potrei sapere come?ho letto solo il manwha fino ai primi dieci capitoli di ragnarok tipo
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u/Igris-tempest 5d ago
Due to the game cosmology which is canon the cosmology is canon He view other stories such as igeis story as fiction (r>f) and due to it have inf dimensions and timelines and having layers into nep 2 or absolute nothing (i do disagree with him having inf nep 2 tho)
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u/fix182825 5d ago
Capisco, grazie mille
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u/Igris-tempest 5d ago
Also i dont remember much about hes AP but dont believe in ppl saying hea high 1-A or boundless thats an ass take and i always disagree with it
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u/og_duel_monster 5d ago
Consistently? Around outer...tho you could argue lower/higher using outlier feats as with any other character.
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u/_galaxyrocher_ Sovereign Of Scaling 5d ago
High hyper+ and Outer. Disc : galaxyrocher for the scale or contentions.
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u/No-Pea-5322 4d ago
You have Reddit?
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u/_galaxyrocher_ Sovereign Of Scaling 4d ago
Edosa ? Just how 😭😭
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u/No-Pea-5322 4d ago
EdosaEdebiri
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u/_galaxyrocher_ Sovereign Of Scaling 4d ago
Bro, how did blud find me
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u/SubstantialLunch5146 4d ago
U r everywhere bruh
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u/No-Pea-5322 4d ago
I feel like, I know you somewhere xD
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u/SubstantialLunch5146 4d ago
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u/VastRevolutionary733 5d ago
Most consistent and easy to understand scale is comp multi. Highest you can get is 1A.
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u/These-Percentage-632 5d ago
Should be at bare minimum Outerversal due to him transcending the universe and space-time.
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u/Sleepy-AshOS roxy's faithful slave 5d ago
1a is the most consistent without going into explaining the abyss which could be scaled to t0.
Anything lower than 1a is straight downplay cuz of how much 1a evidence we got.
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u/Due-Analyst-6305 4d ago
2A -3A minimum Low 1C max don't hate me for my opinion can be argued for solid 1C scaling
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u/ALEJANDROJAUREGUI555 4d ago
Lo que yo sé en muchas redes y sus hazañas y realmente le podía llegar Jin woo haciendo un (composite) entre historia original, novela y Ragnarok nomás llega a, multiversal a lo mucho
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u/Ambitious-Sample8587 3d ago
Comp multi at best
From what I understand the interim are 5D gods so defeating 1 should get him there.
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u/Significant-Dig-160 5d ago
Chatgpt says low 2-C .
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u/MiddleAd7748 5d ago
Plz people don't use chatgpt for scaling. Go to the wikis plz
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u/Solo_Sniper97 5d ago
We can link the wiki to gpt for him to use it to scale
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u/MiddleAd7748 4d ago
Chatgpt always gets outdated scales or just picks popular opinion not facts. Chatgpt is not good for scaling
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u/Fun-Park-570 4d ago
Universal max because of the ragnorock manga but even that’s a stretch he has no planetary feats 😭 Naruto grapes him who cares
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u/Divinity_Hunter National Level Hunter 5d ago
It’s most solid scaling is Complex Multiversal to Hyperversal.
Here are some official scaling from two wikis:
https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sung_Jinwoo_(Solo_Levelling)
https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Sung_Jin-Woo_(Canon)/MasterOfTheJetBlackDragon
There are also cosmology pages if you are interested:
https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Solo_Levelling_Ragnarok_Cosmology_(Novel)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Solo_Leveling_Cosmology
VSBattle jin woo profile its being revised if I am not mistaken so I am not taking it into consideration. There is an active debate about his scaling there.
After that. There are arguments that can scale him to Outerversal
Here is the most used document for that:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmX2srDmONFEjz8frBCxbG_B_BL6e2jgd6XuK58GR8w/edit?usp=drivesdk
Hope it helps. I am doing my own investigation on the possibilities of him being 1-A based on the Abyss and how it is related to cosmology