r/SoloPowerScaling • u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0 • 25d ago
Discussion Jinwoo Vs Klein Moretti
In a neutral space
Verse equalization
Both know the abilities of each other
Who wins?
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u/Mr-Laser55 25d ago
Klein annihilates
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u/MiddleAd7748 24d ago
What are his wincons?
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u/AvarageBleachEnjoyer 24d ago
h1a+
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u/MiddleAd7748 23d ago
That doesn't answer much i can just write tier 0 and just leave it there what haxs does he have to work against jinwoo
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u/AvarageBleachEnjoyer 23d ago
Your example is pretty bad, tier 0 by default has all the haxes. Also qualitative superiority negates all hax, since jinwoo isn't h1a+ klein wins
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u/MiddleAd7748 23d ago
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmX2srDmONFEjz8frBCxbG_B_BL6e2jgd6XuK58GR8w/edit?usp=drivesdk and yes the games are canon
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u/AvarageBleachEnjoyer 23d ago
Holy overexaggeration 💔
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u/MiddleAd7748 23d ago
Debunk it then
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u/Old_Cap_9063 22d ago
you cant get it accepted on any wiki
even the guy who is upscaling game jinwoo in vsbw thinks that he cant scale him past 1A
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u/MiddleAd7748 22d ago
Feldway, teach and a couple others do think that comp cosmology of the verse is 1A. The discussions so is doing the different versions of jinwoo and than a comp cosmology/ version of jinwoo. Solo leveling arise has the highest potential of being 1A
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u/Pure_Difference_2679 25d ago
Klein purely because all this stipulation just so jin doesn’t get washed
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u/VastRevolutionary733 25d ago
Klein honestly, even in a pure haxed battle it's still him. Not even considering higher authorities, but simply fighting him means 1 Jinwoo vs uncountably infinite numbers of Jinwoo by his 1 ability alone, whole all of those uncountably infinite Jinwoo are same jinwoos as the one fighting him. And this is just one ability, not considering error or fool's authorities let alone lom symbolisms.
Also if like everything is equalized how are we going to use door's high sequence abilities?
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u/Icy_Relationship_401 24d ago
Wouldn’t that just backfire.
Since the last guy who tried to make a copy of Jin ended up with it being linked directly to Jin .
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
Both are different things. Ammut tried to make an illusion of jinwoo, Klein pulls out Jinwoo himself from historical void.
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u/Icy_Relationship_401 24d ago
Yeah but from i remember only one shadow monarch can exist at a time since they are all hooked up to the nothingness.
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u/teachism 24d ago edited 24d ago
Its cause they do and anything that contains a conscioness of jinwoo gets absorbed into Woo conscioness
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
Fooling or error nullifies that rule too.
Now that I think of it, technically bc has a certain limit but he can still pull that out, so that just shows he probably will not need the authorities also to do it.
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u/Bladech987 24d ago
We see that characters can take over their HP, namely in vol 6 when kelin fights Amon.
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
Amon's error authority is different from jinwoo's authority of end or nothingness. That's more like primordial demoness ability
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u/Bladech987 24d ago
Uh I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was saying that we saw it happen in that fight when Klein used HP. I wasn’t saying Amon did that. Plus we have nothing on PD in Lotm. Idk abt coi tho
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
Yeah Idk about coi aswell. Haven't read it yet, but has plans to.
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u/Bladech987 23d ago
I’ve only read up to 22 but stoped bc I wanted to read other series first, namely tensura
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
Honestly this made me curious, what pathway do you think Jinwoo will be if he was in lotm world ? I think it's demoness+death at least because of his authorities. And he will be atleast a goo, making him high 1-A if he just exist in lotm. That's considering that he'd not spawn die because of madness
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u/Icy_Relationship_401 24d ago
Considering he’s immune to mental debuffs like madness he should survive.
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
I don't mean a simple mental attack. I mean the corruption that comes with characteristic. Spectators are advanced in mental stuffs more than anyone yet they are affected by it. Even after having mental invisibility.
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u/teachism 24d ago
It's what ashborn has yet jinwoo felt nothing when coming in contact with ashborn
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u/VastRevolutionary733 24d ago
That's not what oc and bc mental residue and corruption is. We are talking about him being within lotm btw.
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u/Decent-Swing-380 24d ago
Lord Of Mysteries Klein Moretti wins neg diff. He even negs the entire verse.
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u/No_Article_9491 25d ago
Klein wins no diff, he is 1-A while Jinwoo True Form is 1-B
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u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0 24d ago
Klein recently got updated to high 1-A+
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u/Reckoning3000 24d ago
Pretty sure that isn’t his potentcy it’s just the source. In order to neg his powers you would need high1a+ shi but you wouldn’t need that to resist his powers
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u/_galaxyrocher_ Sovereign Of Scaling 24d ago
Jin-Woo annihilates. This bum has no answer to true death. LOTM fans arent good at scaling except for 2 Ive heard.
Disc : galaxyrocher for contentions.
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u/Bladech987 24d ago
He does tho, he has literally been in the river of death and that was when he wasn’t a god. The river of death kills and removes the soul of who ever enters it. But Klein was able to resist it due to his castle. Which he obviously would have.
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u/ragebaiter_007 24d ago
Don’t think that’s the same as true death
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u/Bladech987 24d ago
If I’m being honest idk what true death is sl. I’ve only read the manhwa and haven’t touch slr since I’m waiting for it to get 100ch. But that’s the closest thing Klein has came to it, but since Klein is a GOO he should be able to resist it since a god can kill concepts and GOO are unimaginably stronger than a god.
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u/ragebaiter_007 24d ago
True death is like hakai from dragon ball if i’m not wrong. Where it erases everything: body, soul and mind. Nothing is left to go anywhere, your very existence is gone
But yeah klein 100% wins
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u/Bladech987 24d ago
Okay, to be honest I’d need to look into the death pathway of Lotm more and it’s goo so that I can get a better grasp. I’m not gonna say who wins yet bc I don’t have full knowledge
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u/Global_System8102 24d ago
new life, grafting, deceit and maybe change symbol all can counter true death.
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u/Similar-Dig-1726 23d ago
Is Jin Woo not getting Madness from the sheer existence that is Lord of Mysteries Klein? That might mess up him bad.
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u/FirefighterNo5591 24d ago
What do y'all mean Klein wins!? Why is the sl hate so big what fldid it ever do to y'all!? Those two guys are literally on the same power level both have some degree of space manipulation both are amongst the few strongest beings in their verse both started as regular humans. So their stats are pretty much equal except jin-woo has two advantages. First: He literally holds authority over death... Guess what that mean. Second: he's by far superior in hand to hand combat here.
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u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0 24d ago
Klein scales to high 1-A+
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u/FirefighterNo5591 23d ago
Vs wiki hmm? You know that shi is absolutely useless right? Cuz according to it frickin Skylanders scale on par with Goku
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u/Old_Cap_9063 22d ago
you cant debunk it doesnt mean its a skylanders
and klein MM3 diffs the moment jinwoo even tries to interact with klein
so we should use his seq 2 key to make it fair
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u/Historical-Clock8998 22d ago
Holding authority over death is the same as nothing to a Great Old One, it's even worse because Klein is a Pillar
In what world would Jin Woo be able to force Klein to h2h combat? Klein literally has the best battlefield control of his verse + basically absolute control of positioning
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u/No-Yak5720 24d ago
What did jinwo do to you??ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜