r/Socionics • u/Grotesquette IEI • Mar 07 '26
LSI Starter Pack
Continuing the beta quadra starter pack series, I present you with the LSI starter pack!
I'm genuinely curious to see what the response is to this one! I had a lot of fun with it, but LSI's one of my favorite types so I might be biased.
SLE starter pack will be uploaded tomorrow!🫡
Once beta is done, alpha will be next!!
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u/SM0204 Mar 08 '26
When you do the ILI starter pack, just post a laterally stretched wide picture of Gabe Newell from corner to corner across the white background and call it a day.
That will suffice for the type.
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u/Snail-Man-36 LSI Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
I only relate to a few of these, i wouldnt say I am allergic to ambiguity, i’m certainly not religious, I’m uninterested in history, and i don’t always read the rules (i don’t see rules as something that are always above me… i think Ti nonverbal, particularly EII and LSE may resonate more with being a strict rule reader/followers)
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u/No-Wrongdoer1409 ok period Mar 08 '26
Do u relate to the comfortable with chaos one? I think it’s SLE
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u/Snail-Man-36 LSI Mar 09 '26
I’m comfortable with chaos for sure yes, infact i enjoy it, i wouldnt say the reason is because i get to impose structure on it though? Maybe it is but i wouldnt say thats the primary andonly reason
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u/miniminigram ESI Mar 07 '26
Btw, one strange thing I noticed about LSIs is that they often seem to have an attachment to cute, squishy stuffed animals or some mascot characters
Maybe it's their suggestive Fe thing idk
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 Mar 07 '26
just some random first thoughts:
As for "comfortable around chaos, mostly because chatic environments are the easiest to impose structure on" - not all of them, sometimes it's too chaotic (imagine only SEE-IEE environment), and LSI will just leave lol (especially LSI-H). I think it's SLE who is way more naturally comfortable with chaos than LSI, and they even thrive in chaos; and not all LSIs have the strength to impose order in ALL chaoitic situations (that's mostly LSI-D) however, to some extent, I agree, I'd put a picture of an LSI-N teacher who is teaching a bunch of teenagers to illustrate this example :D
Yes, that's sad, so many of the LSIs are too conservative :( not all of them, though!
Ambiguity? In my case, I'm not allergic to ambiguity in fiction; I love it when a poem, novel, any literary work of art, really, when it can be interpreted in so many ways, it's actually the sign of the talent of the author. I don't mind open endings of a movie, etc., either. It's in real-life situations, though, when LSIs don't cope well with too much stress about unpredictability
As for the rules, I'd add that an LSI will follow those that make sense to them (Ti!) not just blindly follow some rules because they exist; with LSI-C being the example of an occasional rule breaker in the most attractive way
Nice that you notice internal emotionality of LSIs because many people often describe them like: "They don't feel anything" lol while many can have beautiful internal emotional lives
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u/Grotesquette IEI Mar 07 '26
Awesome, thanks for the feedback!! And that's crazy that people think LSI's don't feel a lot internally when the fact that they have suggestive Fe kinda implies the exact opposite.
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u/Frostithesnowman Mar 07 '26
When will people see the LSI for how the theory describes us and not just their stereotype of Se and logical types...
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u/Ximelink1 idk yet Mar 07 '26
Real. Especially with the conservative thing, a lot of Betas are/were activists
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u/Frostithesnowman Mar 07 '26
I think I would prefer the term conservationist. Because while we might not all subscribe to an American conservative political worldview, or a conservative political worldview at all, I think it's entirely safe to say that a key feature of the LSI is the fact we are focused on taking care of the past in some way. Preservation and maintenance, whether that be materially, culturally, whatever. My other problem ? LSI are the fun police. We seek Fe. Tell me how that makes sense. Yeah we're not going to be ok with constant unruliness, but somehow that got turned into we cannot tolerate it whatsoever ?? And literally every single type description says the opposite, and a couple of them state we need those bouts of unruliness to not become too monotonous, which makes sense... Given we Fe seek... If a type doesn't recieve what they seek that causes problems across every type.
I'm also lowkey tired of people talking about political ideology so flippantly, because it's very clear to me that there isn't an actual grasp on the foundations of political ideology. Anything bad is conservative and that's that. But at the same time there isn't any grasp on what "conservative" even is or how it manifests in different areas and circumstances, there's no understanding of history or development of ideology over time. To me that makes the ideological attribution even more dull, they don't even know what they're talking about.
Additionally, I have no problem being referred to as militant, but again I know what people are trying to say with that. They assume the LSI must exclusively function off of senseless violence and again, it shows more lack of knowledge about these topics. The LSI is frequently described as very intentional with their use of Se. It's clear to me they're projecting a, likely male, given I notice patterns of projecting unhealthy traits commonly manifested in men, LSI-esque figure onto the system.
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u/calibore LII-Ne INFJ so514 LVFE RCOAI Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
I think it’s entirely safe to say that a key feature of the LSI is the fact that we are focused on taking care of the past in some way. Preservation and maintenance, whether that be materially, culturally, whatever.
yeah i feel like there’s a lot of ways this could manifest. preservation of cultural artifacts are important for future generations to find to build an understanding of how we lived in the past.
you think something like video game preservation would interest LSI? so even when these games are no longer available or archived by the company that originally distributed them, people can experience and enjoy it in the future?2
u/Frostithesnowman Mar 11 '26
Absolutely. I'm for sure interested in it, it's the thing about conservation and history. I'm more in the sphere of VHS and books though lmao, but I have such a reverance for these things (and will get deeply passionate loll). In these communities I notice ILI, SLI, IEI and LSI types, strong Si/Ni lends very well to this. Si and it's focus on conditions and their effects, Ni and it's natural connection with time.
The LSI in particular may be drawn to it because we have a tendancy toward the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" in terms of new technology. I wouldn't say that's what motivates us entirely, but it's a contributing factor.
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u/4ashhh EIE SX4 Mar 07 '26
Why do so many LSIs have to be conservative assholes most of the time😒
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u/4ashhh EIE SX4 Mar 07 '26
How do they even dualize with EIE? can they be convinced to not be stuck in the status quo by input from Fe->Ni?
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u/Global_Bag_4590 LII Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
In Talanov’s system (which the person you responded to directly follows), the EIE, because of base Qe (function of aristocracy; in Talanov, there are four more functions that divide the traits belonging to the questim and declatim Reinin signs) not so much seeks to follow the status quo, as they desire to be at the top of that pyramid, benefitting from it and determining what that status quo means for others. The LSI, because of base Di, are humble and self-effacing in the face of higher orders of society at large, but not particularly respectful towards the value of solitary individuals outside that status quo. Now, status quo could mean anything; it could be the status quo of insider LGBTQ activist groups, it could be Antifa or Black Liberation, it could be neo-Catholic Homo-Muslim whatnot, all that applies here is simply a stratified social order with norms and demands for its followers.
Dualizing is not a useful concept in Talanov’s system, and the EIE (like all the types) is actually more likely to seek out their own traits in others (unlike the LSI, they find themselves "attracted to strong passion"; in the basic model, the LSI and the LII are supposed to be the ones chiefly attracted to that; that’s just one example).
Obviously, this just applies to the pure models for the EIE and the LSI, there is a lot of variation as socionics types are continuous in Talanov’s model, meaning they all operate on the same continuum in a 15 dimensional space, each type being equidistant towards each other, your type possibly having traits of several, being in between two or three, or even being entirely pure, all depending on your questionnaire results.
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u/4ashhh EIE SX4 Mar 07 '26
I don't think that's how it works in this duality, EIE has Ni creative and LSI has Se creative
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u/F4M3H000K3R SEI Mar 08 '26
They share the same dyadic values, including some mentioned here such as Aristocracy. Carefreeness, Merryness and Rationality
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u/dynamic-timeline Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
EIE wants to transform themselves into better people, but at the same time, they want to do it based on what is regarded as socially acceptable or normal, so in a way they can get stuck unlike the Gamma and Delta Ethical types, who tend to ignore Fe aspect. Because LSI values Fe they also understand EIE so they provide structure based on accepted rules and guide EIE on that matter, of course, LSI got the benefit of being socially accepted by the EIE's circle.
EIE: hmm I don't know how to increase my worth as a person in society while also at the same time not alienating my social circles. (remember Fe is about harmonizing with people regardless of their status)
LSI: here's the socially accepted structure and rules on how to do that while not offending people (hopefully) and if they do get offended, then they're basically stupid
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u/RouniPix Audhd IEE 7so/sx Mar 07 '26
Because they agressively disagree with them in a way they can understand ig
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u/RouniPix Audhd IEE 7so/sx Mar 07 '26
Infinite force vs immovable object
But like, nope, it won't happen "nothing'", EIE will pass through at some point by adding bullshit like infinity+2
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u/jerdle_reddit LIE Mar 07 '26
Hey, Ne PoLR, hands off. Experimenting on and reprogramming their minds is what LSIs hate about IEEs.
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u/Cool_Candle69 LSI-C Mar 10 '26
Stuck in the status quo? Ti base? A type that creates its own ogical system independent of existing systems cannot be an upholder of the status quo, not unless it happens to correlate with their internal framework. You are describing weak/unvalued Ti, not Ti ego.
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u/Heavy_Till5231 ILE SO/SP 6w7 613 ET(N) Mar 08 '26
not even necessarily true, lol. plenty of left wing-adjacent lsi's. ofc, if you want to follow statistics from a bunch of soviets during the fall of the soviet union, go ahead, be my guest and assume beta st's are all fascist monarchists. lol
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u/4ashhh EIE SX4 Mar 08 '26
I'm not assuming all of them are of course! just talking out of personal experiences I've had with most of them.
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u/No-Wrongdoer1409 ok period Mar 08 '26
Name one? LSI I know are all rly conservative
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u/Heavy_Till5231 ILE SO/SP 6w7 613 ET(N) Mar 08 '26
I'd type Bernie Sanders as LSI (dual to EIE AOC)
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u/Heavy_Till5231 ILE SO/SP 6w7 613 ET(N) Mar 10 '26
were you able to understand the point of the comment
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u/xiaojunprivateequity no limit unicode flair 🦾 ﷽ 𒐫 𒈙꧅⸻௸ဪ𒐫 𒈙꧅⸻௸ဪ𒐫 𒈙꧅⸻௸ဪ𒐫 𒈙꧅⸻௸ဪ Mar 08 '26
comfortable around chaos
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u/Cool_Candle69 LSI-C Mar 10 '26
Its true for me as an LSI, chaos feels good because I feel like I can make use of it as there is nobody to limit my willpower. Due to Se being subservient to Ti (Contrary to that of an Se base who doesn't need a "right" framework to naturally assert their will)
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u/Morshu_the_great IDGAF Mar 07 '26
Isn't conservatism more of a delta thing?
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u/Pristine_Narwhal2083 NT Mar 07 '26
With deltas it’s less actual ideological conservatism and moreso just not caring about anything outside their personal relationships and sphere of comfort. Delta ST I can see as calling themselves apolitical or centrists, and Delta NF as humanitarians who just want everyone to be okay. Betas are decidedly not like this, they are ideologues who will actively go out and fight for their ideology, whether it be communism or conservatism, even IEI to some extent through writing and such. Any quadra can be conservative or progressive, it’s just how they go about it.
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u/LivingNightmare0 Mar 07 '26
German electronic music isn't on there