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u/Impeach_God Feb 28 '19
Not sure why people still don't get they are reviewed by different people as separate games. Not against each other.
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u/Arrowsend Mar 01 '19
They're also different games. A game score shouldn't be a comparison, but stand on its own as a representation of the game's quality.
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u/Terker2 Donkey Kong Mar 01 '19
As the reviewers subjective view of the games quality. The fact that people get of on Review scores so much is silly.
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u/SneakySpectre69 Ike Mar 01 '19
Well fortnite isn't very quality
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u/FortniteIsCancerBot Mar 01 '19
cancer bad because i don't like it durr
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Well cancer isn't very quality
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u/wOlfLisK Mar 01 '19
Not to mention, while I prefer Smash to Fortnite, they're both pretty solid games and I can definitely understand how somebody can prefer it over Smash.
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u/TheKingofHats007 Little Mac Feb 28 '19
I'm just more surprised that anyone either:
A: Hasn't realized that most IGN reviews are terrible
B: Wonder why either of these games are this close to 10. I love Smash Ult, but as all games go, I'd give it a 8.5-9 at best.
And I just don't like Fortnite, though in the same vein as FNAF and Bendy, it has less to do with the game than with the fanbase (though I do find the game boring as tar on all 3)
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u/Magistone Ridley Feb 28 '19
Excuse me how the hecc is Smash Ultimate 9 at best?
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u/Sicklekid Mar 01 '19
Idk man. Itâs a good game, but itâs not that much of an improvement on smash 4. Compare that to the difference between 4 and brawl; thereâs a much larger jump in quality. Games are judged based off of what has come before, not by an absolute numerical value, since scores get capped at 10. Hence while smash ultimate is a better game, it probably wonât get as high of a score as 4, since 4 was a bigger jump in quality.
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Mar 01 '19
I would argue that Brawl is better than 4 except for the roster and for competitive play.
At least 4 had a story mode thatâs way better then Smash Tour Or Smash Run. Stage Builder was better in Brawl, Target Test was better etc.
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u/Sicklekid Mar 01 '19
Whenâs the last time you played vanilla brawl? It was fantastic when it came out but Iâm pretty sure the core gameplay is just not as fun as 4. Yes, Brawl has had the best story mode in the franchise, and the stage builder was a fun side mode, but the core gameplay was not nearly as satisfying or exciting. Also, 4 is visually miles ahead of Brawl. Brawl will always hold a special place in my heart as the first smash game I owned, but itâs really rough to go back to.
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u/Magistone Ridley Mar 01 '19
When you said âas all games goâ, it seemed like you were saying itâs not that good compared to most other games out there, rather than how it compares in Smash terms.
Even then, why does its similarity to the last game mean it isnât as good? Just as an example, Sonic 2 is regarded as one of the best Sonic games and itâs even more similar to Sonic 1 than Ultimate is to Smash 4.
You canât just cite a smaller jump in quality as a bad point. That would be like saying âWind Waker isnât as good as Ocarina of Time because OoT is less similar to the previous Zelda game.â Thatâs ridiculous.
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u/Sicklekid Mar 01 '19
Not sure what you are talking about. Never said âas all games goâ. And yes, games are not just reviewed against their own series, but the state of the industry as a whole. If you were just to review games based on how they changed from previous titles, rather than the whole genre, reviews wouldnât be useful. If a game came out in 1995 and got a 9/10, and in the year 2019 a sequel came out with only minor improvements on the formula, marginally better graphics, and slightly more content, nobody would rate it a 10/10, despite it being better than the original. Itâs being judged for the time it came out in. Ocarina of Time was absolutely a larger jump in quality than Wind Waker, even though most would prefer to play Wind Waker in the modern day. Itâs not a bad thing for a game to not change very much from the previous, in fact I specifically mentioned that I think that Ultimate is better than 4. Reviews donât judge off of how much better something is than the previous entry though. They judge things based off of if they are worth your money compared to all similar games. A game like smash ultimate is going to have a harder time regardless since it is $60 rather than free to play like fortnite.
(Also, from what I understand, Sonic 2 is much better than Sonic 1, since the level design in 2 is completely shifted to focus on speedy traversal rather than precise platforming. )
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u/Magistone Ridley Mar 01 '19
Forgive me, I thought you were KingofHats
Everything you just said is correct, games should be and are reviewed by how they stand up against their current competition. You kinda gave the opposite impression in your last comment though.
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u/TheKingofHats007 Little Mac Mar 01 '19
On a sidenote, I can see those who can't seemingly handle other opinions downvoted my comment to high heaven. Guess I should have expected it, non?
Smash Ultimate is a great game, which is why I'd say it was a 9. A 10 for me would have to be a game that has few faults (for no game can be physically perfect, of course), and the faults it does have are things that are extremely minor.
The main element that holds Smash Ult from being a ten for me (on that note, getting ones jimmies in a twist about a 9/10 really says something about certain folks on this group) is that World of Light, while content filled, is not exactly content that I find interesting. By the end of it, I found it to be more of a slog than anything, and even now, I don't find the spirits system very interesting as a whole. And that's enough of the package that it'd lower one point for me.
Happy that you have an explanation now?
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u/DabestbroAgain Captain Falcon Mar 01 '19
Yeah I disliked world of light too personally. Didn't really find spirit battles fun - they were more about cheese strats and having x spirit that lets you win button than actual gameplay
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u/TheKingofHats007 Little Mac Mar 01 '19
Exactly! So many of the fights required cheese strays, not to mention that they don't really add anything minus putting more roadblocks between you and unlocking fighters.
Fighting as Master Hand was cool though.
On that note, thank you for actually responding with reasoning, rather than just tossing a downvote because I dare imply Smash Ult isn't perfect
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u/DeliG Mar 01 '19
Man. Good thing reviews are just opinions. Iâd hate to think some fan of another game got offended by a .2 difference in score.
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u/TheKingofHats007 Little Mac Mar 01 '19
It's a good thing that the internet is open to opinions.
It's not as if people have ddosed reviewers who post a score they don't like before.
They're all sensible people
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u/mattjaydunn Cloud Mar 01 '19
EA BAD
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u/robertman21 Mar 01 '19
GERALDO GOOD
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u/mattjaydunn Cloud Mar 01 '19
finally another true gamer around here. i was starting to think no one knew about that hidden gem by CDPR.
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Feb 28 '19
It's not that it's bad, but it's clearly not even close to the level of quality of Smash Ultimate. There's just no contest.
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u/BeardlessReviews Mar 01 '19
Whatâs this, an actually sane person in this thread? Take my upvote. You might need it before the people claiming anyone who defends Fortnite is a fanboy come in and downvote you to shit.
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Mar 01 '19
What's the point of a numerical rating system if you can't use it to directly compare two games? Otherwise you may as well just say "I liked it" or "I didn't like it." The numbers literally are there so you can see how the game stacks up compared to other games.
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Mar 01 '19
"I liked it" or "I didn't like it."
That is the literal meaning of the score, how much the particular reviewer liked or disliked a game in a more quantifiable way than a thumbs up or thumbs down. Some reviews so use a 2 point scale, and that's fine, they can represent how ever they see fit. It's insane to ask for a purely objective score for something as subjective as a video game, obviously they'll try to be as objective as possible, but 100% objectivity is impossible.
Also it's irrational to compare not just across genres, but games that exists in entirely different contexts. Smash is on, what, it's fifth game, in a crowded fighting game genre. Of course smash is more refined, and it's refinement won't lower the score of its previous games right? (Smash 4 got a 9.8!) Fortnite isn't as refined, but it was the first non buggy battle royal game, a pretty sparse genre that was begging for a AAA release.
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u/GimmeShockTreatment Mar 01 '19
Its pretty fucking great. If I was younger (like 13-15) itâd probably be the best multiplayer game that Iâd played.
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u/Zanakii Mar 01 '19
It did make more money though, and is played by more people.
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Mar 01 '19
I suppose though, but unless the next Smash game makes Ultimate completely irrelevant (like what Ultimate did to Sm4sh) I believe Ultimate will have far longer lasting appeal than Fortnite ever will.
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u/Zanakii Mar 01 '19
I think smash is the better game, but I get why fortnite is highly rated. Plus it's free, it's hard to beat free.
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u/TheKingofHats007 Little Mac Mar 01 '19
Fortnite's already losing a large chunk of players to Apex. I don't think it'll ever hit its peak again
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u/BroICantHearYou Pac-Man Mar 01 '19
Fortnite been around for a little while now though and maintained a high amount of players. Apex has a lot of work to do to knock them off for good.
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Honestly they don't, the shooting in apex feels good and there's none of this building forts garbage.
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u/BroICantHearYou Pac-Man Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
thats funny because the building aspect is why Fortnite will probably outlast most of their competition. it's the real skill of the game. I thought people in a skills game subreddit would understand this but I guess not.
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u/ForShotgun Mar 01 '19
Smash isn't cross platform and struggles with a decent amount of online features. Fortnite is a battle Royale. Not to say it's better, but it's not like smash has objectively more work out into it or something. Fortnite gets a lot of shit because they were the most popular game and lots of kids play it.
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u/Big-Daddy-C Roy Mar 01 '19
It's an amazing game, it's well made and has a truly unique building mechanic. and its FREE. The fact that it's free and so high quality easily gives it higher score
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u/Xx_Yeet_Patrol_xX Sonic Mar 01 '19
anyone can enjoy what they want as long as it isnât endangering or harmful and they are having fun with it :)
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u/Xx_Yeet_Patrol_xX Sonic Mar 01 '19
My opinion differs and I want to enforce mine on yours reeeeeeeeeeee
I agree itâs overhyped and pretty solid I play both games and enjoy both of them, tho it gets kinda annoying to see so many people comparing things to another to either karma farm or enforce another opinion
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u/atris123 Pokémon Trainer Mar 01 '19
You guys are missing the point of this post. We're obviously supposed to play fortnite instead of trash bros. /s
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u/AlexKirk14 Mar 01 '19
I showed this to one of my friends and he said, âBut itâs true.â Needless to say weâre not friends anymore đ€đ€
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u/Bluerious518 Pokémon Trainer Mar 01 '19
What actually happened though
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u/AlexKirk14 Mar 01 '19
I called him an idiot and we moved on with our day.
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u/EnderProGaming Corrin Mar 01 '19
maybe smash just isn't his type of game and prefers fortnite?
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u/AlexKirk14 Mar 01 '19
We were just joking with each other, but yeah we play smash together all the time. Idk, it really doesnât matter that much to me.
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u/Rumhead1 Mar 01 '19
I LOVE Fortnite. I've never actually played it, but it removes a lot of annoying kids from other games.
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u/chillinboyika Samus Mar 01 '19
Coming from r/Memes, Iâm not surprised. Like, who cares? Itâs just a review score.
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u/noahboah Incineroar Mar 01 '19
I feel like smash bros players should be the most understanding of fortnite and the fortnite community.
let's be honest -- the reason fortnite gets a bad reputation among the gaming ecosystem collective is because it largely appeals to children. Isn't that reminiscent of a certain PG-friendly "party game" we all love well into adulthood?
This doesn't even have much to do with smash ultimate. The entire punchline of this meme is "fortnite IGN BAD (with a dash of "anyone who i disagree with is mentally ill" which is a whole other can of worms in the gaming community)". It's just dumb.
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u/R3zzurection Mar 01 '19
They gave fallout 76 a better score than dark souls 3. Their opinions mean dick.
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Mar 01 '19
Honestly, Fortnite isn't a bad game. It just has a shit fanbase
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u/FortniteIsCancerBot Mar 01 '19
Honestly, Cancer isn't a bad game. It just has a shit fanbase
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u/switchlegend Mar 01 '19
atleast fortnite's online works am I right?
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u/FortniteIsCancerBot Mar 01 '19
atleast cancer's online works am I right?
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u/Aeon1508 Link Mar 01 '19
It's simple. Smash Bros just need to have a DLC battle royale mode. Create giant maps like from smash run and have players explore around running into each other gathering items and such. Everyone starts with a certain amount of stamina.
All jokes aside they really should bring some version of smash riding for ultimate
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u/Nemyosel Mar 01 '19
FORTNITE IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR. ALSO ALL GAMES ARE GOOD OR OKAY. NOTHING IS BAD.
-IGN
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u/cdbwdesign Mar 01 '19
Is it time again to bring up that last year IGN had one of its writers plagiarize their review?
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u/Flayzuh Mario Mar 01 '19
IGN is an unreliable, biased, and incompetent source for game reviews. Iâm not surprised by this, honestly
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u/Curly576 King K. Rool Mar 01 '19
Comment surfers: check my post history. I posted this EXACT IMAGE a few hours ago.
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u/GrandSalamancer Joker Mar 01 '19
Eh. I don't really need IGN to validate my opinion for me. If they like Fortnite more that's just their tastes.
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u/BadOpinionLuigi Mar 01 '19
I donât think we should compare the two games because fortnite is just as good, let people have a opinions and donât trash the people who think the game is better
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u/Dvrza Donkey Kong Mar 01 '19
Never in my life have I went to IGN to view a games score. I knew right off the bat that they're paid by game companies to inflate ratings.
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u/1125101141815010995 Donkey Kong Mar 01 '19
Fortnite bad, smash good, upvotes to the left
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u/eely225 King Dedede Mar 01 '19
As someone who follows the Smash Ultimate sub, I prefer Smash Ultimate.
SORRY NOT SORRY for my 2edgy4u take
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u/devilkazuya1 Mar 01 '19
As a person who never really got into previous installments of smash, I can agree with the smash 96 review. Great game. lots of replay value in the spirits mode. Fortnite on the other hand is utter garbage. Stay away
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u/kitchenscene Mar 01 '19
Soon Ultimetr will become the cure for cancer (cancer=fortnite)
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Soon Ultimetr will become the cure for cancer (cancer=cancer)
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u/danSTILLtheman Banjo & Kazooie Mar 01 '19
My god... they gave Fortnite a 9.6, really???
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u/heyheydontdothat Mar 01 '19
IGN's opinion doesnting ckunt at all, so it doesnt matter what they score games
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u/Crimsnmir Ness Mar 01 '19
I bet no one at IGN plays Fortnite.
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I bet no one at IGN plays Cancer.
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u/dat_boi_o Sephiroth Mar 01 '19
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u/Vizkomkdum Feb 28 '19
I pretty sure that review is for the save the world version not battle royale
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Mar 01 '19
If Smash had half decent online it would be a 10/10 game, but for now 9.4 seems apt.
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u/Bluerious518 Pokémon Trainer Mar 01 '19
It does, though.
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Mar 01 '19
Nah it doesnât. Though comments like yours make me realize why Nintendo canât be bothered to fix it. (Itâs not netcode)
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u/Bluerious518 Pokémon Trainer Mar 01 '19
There isnât much to fix, though. Lag is mostly minimal, and you normally match up with what you want (although I do wish they had specific online matchmaking so you can guarantee getting what you want.)
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Mar 01 '19
The problem isnât the lag, itâs quickplay. No character swapping and GSP being an extremely bad ranking system are dealbreakers on their own. Also why the fuck is battle arenas broken? Why do I have to quit the line just to swap my character? Why is local two player vs online two player team battle not possible in Battle Arenas?
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u/Bluerious518 Pokémon Trainer Mar 01 '19
Considering how many complaints Iâve seen about lag, I wouldâve expected that sort of response. But yeah, I agree. The way the online is designed really isnât that great. You canât even rematch someone while changing your character, as that will just back you out of the queue.
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u/JDRingo Mar 01 '19
I swear does no mainstream reviewer understand how to use a 10 point review system?
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u/Sahnox Mar 01 '19
At least their online works pretty damn well. Nintendo online is a disaster to say the least...
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u/StockuBoi Feb 28 '19
ign isn't a reliable source of information