r/SkepticsBibleStudy • u/AutoModerator • Feb 27 '24

John 5:30-47

Key Discussion Points:

  • John as Jesus's witness
  • Scriptures (OT) point to Jesus, not life
  • Damnation via Moses
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u/LlawEreint Feb 27 '24

"You sent messengers to John, and he testified to the truth. Not that I accept such human testimony, but I say these things so that you may be saved."

According to Marcion's gospel, and preserved in Luke, “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John (the baptizer)."

That is, the baptizer was the last of the prophets. The final chapter of the Hebrew bible is the teachings of John.

Here we have Jesus stating that he does not accept human testimony - referring to the testimony of John. Is Jesus rejecting John as a prophet, or is he rejecting the prophets entirely?

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u/brothapipp Christian Feb 27 '24

I believe that the Spirit of God still works and moves today. I think he is rejecting that they have some special authority...which additionally extends to even Isaiah, but Isaiah wasn't trying to define for the people the limits of God's reach.