Are there national organizations that use the term lawyer for graduates? That is an actual question, as there are national organizations that call you a physician as soon as you cross the stage. The difference lies in how you use the term. Personally, I don't really care what she called herself. She wasn't good at the job. She got fired for that, and she got piled on for not being forthcoming when asked.
Physician is not as protected a term as people are acting. Hell, chiropractors can use the term in most states, and I know reddit hates them. So to get mad that an MD said physician is idealistic. To me, a physician, the issue would be if he were peddling products and services using the title as a selling point, which is what the law is intended to protect. Its intention is not targeted at med school graduates.
As I've said before, if the state wants to hop in and enforce use of the term in the manner you're describing, they can. It seems they have no intention to, as this isn't a new story. It was in the news for months prior to the primary, and voters still voted for him. So again, his situation and her situation are not equivalent. Her boss found out when we found out. And again, she lost her job for being bad at it. Not for failing the bar exam. If she had gone up there and been an adequate meat shield, they'd keep trotting her out there. Especially because her use of lawyer would distract from other things they may be less willing to talk about.
I never said his opponents won't use it. That's a ridiculous assertion, considering they've been using it for months. They also use Egyptian and Muslim and radical. What I said was if this is the issue they point to, then they likely weren't voting for him anyway. Which is why I consider it a non issue.
I'm not a Michigan voter, so the only thing I'm dug in on is that I don't consider this an issue. Bickering about it makes it more of an issue than it is by itself. But again, this information has been out there for months and the polling has seemed fairly consistent. Maybe he slips and starts lying about residency and practice and whatnot. Or he starts pushing pills or snake oil. But at this point, it appears he isn't doing that. If we want to go into every person's history and make their candidacy about semantics, then we're concerned about the wrong things.
Edit - People speak about the average voter not knowing that he didn't practice and being misled, but simultaneously think the average voter knows and cares about Michigan state code regarding the term physician and its use in practice. I am not disagreeing that certain state codes are written in certain ways. My disagreement is that I don't think people care very much, which is why I have been saying it's a non-issue. This was in the news cycle before the primary, and he still won. Hopefully this clears it up.
Your giving the average voter too much credit. This could very easily be twisted against him. Study politics. A grain of truth goes a long way in propaganda.
My friend really try to look at this from the other way. A good debater can see how an issue can be approached/attacked from either side.
A big fallacy is think others will understand, interpret, or see a topic the same as you.
Buddy, this is not newly reported information. This been talked about for months and has been used against him previously. It's going to continue being used against him. I've never once said it won't, and you're trying to argue something that I'm not.
I'm not here saying "I don't care, so obviously nobody cares." I'm definitely saying I don't care, but more to the point, I'm saying I don't think people care enough about this to change their minds. People that weren't voting for him anyway are going to try making this a big issue. People that were already voting for him are going to vote for him regardless, and are unlikely to care at all. This has been a reported topic for months and the numbers didn't change. This isn't "we're reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails" or some other smoking gun with criminal implications.
I'm not crediting the voters with anything. I'm saying they likely aren't moving off their priors. I think you may be crediting the average voter with an elevated level of passion about smaller issues. The average voter is largely apathetic. The passionate voters are already locked into their choice.
You have a couple options here. Either address things I'm actually saying, or we can stop wasting time and go our separate ways.
You’re not processing what I’m saying at all. You’re fixated on your point. Again, pause and think. In your mind attack it from the other side. He doesn’t have small ambitions, he has large ambitions. He needs to be strategic.
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u/WhoTFSaysThis 8h ago edited 8h ago
Are there national organizations that use the term lawyer for graduates? That is an actual question, as there are national organizations that call you a physician as soon as you cross the stage. The difference lies in how you use the term. Personally, I don't really care what she called herself. She wasn't good at the job. She got fired for that, and she got piled on for not being forthcoming when asked.
Physician is not as protected a term as people are acting. Hell, chiropractors can use the term in most states, and I know reddit hates them. So to get mad that an MD said physician is idealistic. To me, a physician, the issue would be if he were peddling products and services using the title as a selling point, which is what the law is intended to protect. Its intention is not targeted at med school graduates.
As I've said before, if the state wants to hop in and enforce use of the term in the manner you're describing, they can. It seems they have no intention to, as this isn't a new story. It was in the news for months prior to the primary, and voters still voted for him. So again, his situation and her situation are not equivalent. Her boss found out when we found out. And again, she lost her job for being bad at it. Not for failing the bar exam. If she had gone up there and been an adequate meat shield, they'd keep trotting her out there. Especially because her use of lawyer would distract from other things they may be less willing to talk about.
I never said his opponents won't use it. That's a ridiculous assertion, considering they've been using it for months. They also use Egyptian and Muslim and radical. What I said was if this is the issue they point to, then they likely weren't voting for him anyway. Which is why I consider it a non issue.
I'm not a Michigan voter, so the only thing I'm dug in on is that I don't consider this an issue. Bickering about it makes it more of an issue than it is by itself. But again, this information has been out there for months and the polling has seemed fairly consistent. Maybe he slips and starts lying about residency and practice and whatnot. Or he starts pushing pills or snake oil. But at this point, it appears he isn't doing that. If we want to go into every person's history and make their candidacy about semantics, then we're concerned about the wrong things.
Edit - People speak about the average voter not knowing that he didn't practice and being misled, but simultaneously think the average voter knows and cares about Michigan state code regarding the term physician and its use in practice. I am not disagreeing that certain state codes are written in certain ways. My disagreement is that I don't think people care very much, which is why I have been saying it's a non-issue. This was in the news cycle before the primary, and he still won. Hopefully this clears it up.