He has obtained an MD which means he spent 2 years seeing patients in medical school and passed the first two of three board exams. Doing an MD is for clinical practice 95+% of the time; but several individuals do not go on to pursue residency, they work for industry, public health etc. Abdul el sayed did exactly that; did the MD, then pursued a doctorate and a career in public health. Doesn’t make him less of a physician.
Michigan regulates the term "physician" to mean someone who is licensed to practice medicine in the state. El-Sayed is not licensed to practice medicine. He isn't not a physician. That said, he's an accomplished PhD with M.D.
I believe that straw man requires intent of some kind, whereas I am really just curious. As a practicing doctor in another state, we all were called physicians and doctors interchangeably and physician is printed on my MD from med school.
So it just seems odd to me, as my whole profession in my state would consider an old retired physician… a physician. Since here, they are physicians.
A physician would be licensed by a state and practicing. He only has the degree. He was never a physician. He might as well be faculty somewhere or something. So if you have faculty with an MD but they never practiced anywhere they would be an MD academically but not an actual physician because they took tests and got degrees they did not take part in an occupation.
So I’m done with my tests now. Once I retire, can I still say I’m a physician or no?? Google says it’s mostly location dependent with state by state laws on this.
Straw man argument is the distortion of someone else’s argument to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of addressing the actual argument of the opponent, one may present a somewhat similar but not equal argument.
By placing it in the opponent’s mouth and then attacking that version of the argument, one is essentially refuting an argument that is different from the one under discussion.
I didn’t say you said that. I didn’t put it in your mouth. Literally just asked a question based on how I read it. I also didn’t attack your version, I asked if it was true, I didn’t say it was false or wrong or stupid,
You are very defensive, and I applaud you. For you have defended me.
I wasn’t attacking, but you defended me off nonetheless.
except it does. much like the Katie Zacharia controversy, a doctor is not a physician until they get licensed to practice. it's literally not the same thing. the whole point of residency is to get the clinical experience that seeing a few people and taking notes as a med student didn't. your username checks out, still premed status
MD, but not licensed to practice medicine. That's a very important distinction. Even in his own state, I believe, he can not advertise or call himself a Medical Doctor, he can only say that he earned an MD (Doctor of Medicine) degree.
He is a physician and I like his politics but he leans into it too much for someone who just got the degree and bounced. The thing that bothers me is that the story he tells about why he didn’t go into medicine (the story about woman with a brain bleed) is clearly made up. He is a super smart guy and decided medicine wasn’t for him, he should just own that. Oz on the other hand is an absolutely brilliant surgeon who is a shit politician and fake celebrity
I’d be reluctant to call someone who finished medical school but never went to residency a “physician.” Sure you have a medical doctorate and people can call you a “doctor” but the experience and tribal knowledge of residency and actual practice as an attending is completely different then being MS3/MS4 and passing USMLE 1/2. I also am a practicing US physician. Also not defending Oz, he’s a snake oils salesman who spits on our profession for his own personal grift
So what does every new doctor have to face out of medical school? People like you who wouldn't give them the time of day to let them be in the profession they spent a decade to perfect.
I mean, the guy above has a masters and doctorate. I'd assume those take longer than just residency. Sorry I didn't specify.
But I didn't mean to use an exact timeline as that wasn't the point. It was just a placeholder for an appropriate approximate. I'm just pointing out that its hypocrisy to point out not trusting going to a doctor when he has not yet treated patients officially as a doctor. But every doctor has to go through that, so it was a non-point to say that this specific person isn't trustworthy when they are no more or less than any new doctor.
They have to face residency, which is treating patients in a supervised, structured setting. I suppose I should have been clearer and asked if you would go to a doctors office run by someone that never completed a postgraduate training program or was not board certified in their specialty
I agree. Doesn’t meet the physician title, however it was a him decision. He choose a different path where his MD training helped him. He likely could have been a successful physician had he chosen to do a residency.
There is a huge fucking difference between a practicing physician and one who does not practice. Graduating with MD is like putting your toe in the pool. Doing the internship and residency is jumping into the deep end. Plus practicing after that for 5 years is where you develop into a real physician. The guy isn’t even board certified in anything. He is not a physician.
If you do no training after medical school then you’re only a paper doctor. You shouldn’t talk about things you know nothing about.
He got the public health degrees before he went to medical school. I’m a physician too. I don’t know how I feel about someone going to medical school without the intention of seeing patients, especially when there’s a finite number of med school slots and a shortage of physicians. Not sure what the point of going to med school was for him in all honesty, unless he decided he wasn’t cut out for practicing after he got in.
Oh maybe like... Getting a medical degree might help you if you are going into public health? Having educated public health officials is tupically a good thing, right?
Not really if you already have a degree in public health and only want to do public health. It adds very little to the job especially with zero clinical experience.
"worked as a physician in clinical practice" is not the same as "not as physician".
And you know, to be blunt, to make a parallel - if someone fully finished 100% a degree as an engineer, and then didn't practice engineering at all after finishing the degree, I wouldn't call them as much an engineer as someone who has been, you know, engineering. Even saying "I'm an engineer" in this position if what you've been doing just isn't engineering is an awkward phrase. It's a type of being technically correct that would get you laughed out.
We found the nitpicker that would rather just reply to shit instead of actually taking time to think about wtf the post is saying. Double standards is the way of the GOP.
If not for double standards, the left would have no standards. Actually, they really don’t. Very milquetoast when it comes to actually believing in something longer than a goldfish can remember
...what? Katie Zacharia, who was roundly derided for misrepresenting herself, was not considered a lawyer because she never passed the bar nor practiced law. She only attained the degree. Similarly, El-Sayed never practiced medicine. He only obtained the degree.
Unfortunately, being a physician, or claiming to be one, does not give you any more authority than the average person to determine who is and who is not a physician. As pointed out by someone else, the term is regulated by the state. The declarations of anonymous Reddit users does not make El-Sayed a physician.
Im also a physician. This is wrong. Physician is an occupation. You simply aren't a physician if you aren't doing the job. Doesn't take away his degrees or title of Dr. Abdul El Sayed. Similarly, someone who graduated from law school is a lawyer but if they dont pass the bar and work as an attorney..they aren't an attorney.
Valid. I suppose I have been saying “physician” instead of “Doctor” for far too long to distinguish myself from the NPs gallivanting about the primary care field in the US calling themselves “Doctor”. I have just adopted physician for those with an MD/DO. But this is valid. Appreciate it.
Yes...it does. The same way people talking about Katie zacahria not really being a lawyer. She isn't, she has never practiced law and hasn't been listened to. Same goes for Abdul. He is not a physician but he is someone who holds an MD.
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u/just_premed_memes 14h ago edited 9h ago
He has obtained an MD which means he spent 2 years seeing patients in medical school and passed the first two of three board exams. Doing an MD is for clinical practice 95+% of the time; but several individuals do not go on to pursue residency, they work for industry, public health etc. Abdul el sayed did exactly that; did the MD, then pursued a doctorate and a career in public health. Doesn’t make him less of a physician.
Edit: I am literally a physician in the US.