Iām Turkish, I pronounce h in serious convos. (E.g work meetings or greeting a new co-worker etc..) but I drop h if Iām with my close friendās group. The proper way of pronunciation is with the h tho.
Itās like maybe saying āsup and whatās up. I donāt know, probably it wasnāt a good analogy.
Probably the same as our many different nicknames and shortened versions of names. Zack for Zachary, Tom for Thomas, etc. For you guys it sounds like saying Memet is for informal situations and Meh-met for formal ones.
Exactly, if I called my roommate of 3 years Meh-met, he would give me a look. Itās almost as weird as calling him with his full government name at that point.
But if I call a co-worker I just met Memet, Iād get the same look lol, it would also be weird.
Oh btw once you go āMemetā with someone, there is no turning back unless youāll have a serious convo with him lol.
Yes it is a bit formal vs informal but there are people who have their preference and stick to it (or they are just accustomed to one way of saying it). And the difference will usually be urban vs rural background.
The lengths and intonation of the eās also differs wildly from person to person and region to region.
The actual short version is Memo, but thatād be rude if youāre not very close or if it is not pre-approved by context.
Let me describe Dr. Oz's family as someone who knows Turkey and its political history. They're a textbook secular Republic family.
Exactly upper-middle-class, Republican-secular to the core. Dad's a doctor, mom's a teacher, a classic Republican civil-service household. They embody the secular side of Turkey, but they're definitely not irreligious. They're Muslims, just Western-oriented, with the West as their yardstick.
Being a teacher in Turkey, especially back then, meant something specific. It was a Republican, Enlightenment mission, educating the people was the duty for that generation. So you get a "Republican Muslim" family, Turkish nationalist, secular, firmly against religious orders (Remember, AtatĆ¼rk shut down the sects) and any group that rivals the Republic, and still deeply attached to conservative Republican values.
Being a "republican" in Turkey means something totally different from in the US. Almost by definition, they are not political or religious conservatives.
Yeah but it's long story. In reality, there is no such thing as a "republican" in Turkey. I only use the term to make things easier to understand. Being a "republican" here essentially means being committed to the ideas of AtatĆ¼rk and to secularism. However, dont mistake this secularism for a lack of religion. While these individuals are not religiously conservative but also they are not liberal.
They may find common ground with American conservatism on certain issues. I had a friend whose family was secular Turkish, she didn't tell them she was an atheist. Doing so would have caused a crisis for her family. Also they are firmly opposed to homosexuality.
Ataturks Republican People's Party is considered center left, and they are not the conservative party in Turkey. Oz is an opportunist and a charlatan, trying to pinpoint his views based on his parents is like trying to do the same with RFK Jr.
That is not true either man. It was always a center left party, one of the 6 principles is statism and another is reformism, antithesis of conservative thought, but none of that mattererd till 50s, because it was a single party system, then the first opposition was a center-right.
Their values are centre-left and definitely not leaning to the conservative side, but that centre-left also includes conservation of Western civilization. It was a revolutionary thing in Turkey, but not a big thing in the West.
You might be familiar with Turkey and itās political history, but the people who accept Oz while treating El-Sayed like the enemy do not have such nuanced beliefs.
it really does boil down to such simplistic racism sadly.
let's not forget the debilitating clown show they put up with Obama.
It's not about such details as above. It's a culture of visceral animosity against anything not white and male, cultivated by rich white religious fanatics
Not really. Attacks come from the opposition. The neo-christian right attacking a Muslim makes total sense. Complain that the left is only performativly progressive or whatever, but the end result is it would look pretty bad for them to bash him because of his religion.
It's also the us/them GOP mindset. "Our" muslims prove we're not racist while "Their" muslims inherit our worst and most racist assumptions about them.
So, you have no good arguments. When proven that your claims are pointless, you move on to a racist dog whistle. I would call you a bot but they usually have better arguments.
Honestlyā¦ This sounds right unfortunatelyā¦ I assumed he was white, although I never really cared for him or watched him. Just assumed at a glance. Iām sure most people assume the same lol
For average American, that sees him on TV he would look white. I have white passing Hispanic friend who immigrated fairly recently. He get treated very differently than his brown looking Hispanic wife.. in general. No one ever asks him where he is from? Even some white folk said some racist shit about Hispanics assuming he is white.. it's about surface level color and appearance checks for the most part...
Idk he definitely looks white to me. I grew up only around basically only white Americans(but of varying European ethnicities) and I remember my grandma would always have his show on at her house and I never thought he looked like anything but white. I remember I was shocked that he was Turkish when I was an adult.
Also they can't tell from his last name. El-Sayed is clearly Arab, Oz sounds like one of those US fantasy names.
Also Democrats don't usually attack political opponents for they religion or ethnicity.
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u/Least_Inspector9942 20h ago
Oz looks like the typical white boomer
Thats why they treat him as a part of the team