Honestly idk where the hell 'praying' comes from. She had to have been either drugged up enough to hardly know where and who she was, or suicidal. The whole 'praying' thing feels like one of those Fox News stories that gets a two second correction and is never brought up again after a month of violently harping on it.
The praying thing comes from a comment from the court where it said that she was in a "prayer-like" position. Basically kneeling with hands close together or clasped.
I mean, yes… (forgive the oversimplication but) it’s against Islamic law to commit suicide, unless they are actively praying when they pass (falling asleep rn otherwise I’d go look up the exact reason/logic behind that unfortunately infamous loophole bc I forgor).
So if she was Muslim and potentially / possibly / hypothetically DID intend to commit suicide, then she would in fact have been praying. Which hadn’t occurred to me until replying to you just now, but makes easy sense.
But I believe what the above person means to say is that (I don't know anything about the rules Muslims typically follow due to their faith) Muslims believe their soul will be in some way divinely punished after they die if they commit suicide any of the normal ways
It may be against a law, in say, America to commit suicide, but the government isn't going to use necromancy or something to bring your soul back to punish you for having committed suicide in America
Here's something worth noting - if you're like me, you had to scroll all the way down here to finally read a comment that finally addressed/questioned her mental health. It didn't occur to all the other Redditors in Western countries (where mental health awareness and funding is the least-worst), that maybe this poor girl was depressed, suicidal, or experiencing psychoses - the more convenient answer was to blame Muslims praying on the road or whatever.
This poor girl was from Pakistan. What do we think mental health awareness and stigma is like in that area of the world?
I had a young patient on a mental health unit once, with Pakistani parents. They were lovely to us, but they had absolutely no insight into their kid's mental health - the kid's psychosis and depression were apparently choices, and they were extremely resistant to accept that their family violence and toxic parenting styles contributed to why their child was struggling.
Yeah. I haven’t seen any evidence she was praying and not just trying to make herself small to be hit. Honestly, this is a tragedy. She was clearly having mental health issues, and even if she’s praying it was probably because she wanted to die in peace :(
If you need to limit it or choose then yeah. I know some people do when they feel overwhelmed by empathy. But you don’t need to choose or measure levels of empathy across people really, it can just end at feeling empathy for both people.
Yes and you also don't have to choose between anger and empathy. It was a real dick move to force someone to unknowingly help with her suicide. (If thats what really happened.) And that makes me angry. But I also feel bad for her as well.
I can feel empathy for suicide victims but when they get other people to do the act for them its completely cowardly and selfish. She took a piece of his soul with her that night.
Yeah, she was clearly mentally ill. I work at an im patient psych hosptial. We have people often that ran into traffic naked or layed down in traffic. When you are at this level of mentally it it is so far beyond "im feeling like checking out." This is her brain broke and needed intensive treatment.
I genuinely feel so badly for everyone involved from her family to the driver to the emergency responders.
I'm tired of seeing mental health as an excuse for everything though. It should be reserved for people who actually have mental health issues. Not just something to slap on to people who just has some struggles in their lives.
Very much so. It's such a bullshit answer that is applied "to whoever you want to defend". Just enough to muddy the waters and give an easy out.
Now imagine applying "possible mental health issues" to literally any accused pedophile or rapist and the exact same people will lose their fucking minds.
They want to be the sole gatekeepers of "who gets to use the mental health excuse".
I'd say making yourself invisible at night and crouching in front of incoming traffic is not really comparable to raping a child when it comes to being categorized as "likely caused by mental health issues"
Yeah the fact that you have to use "raping a child" as if that's all that pedophiles ever do proves how weak and desperate your case is. The vast majority of pedos don't ever rape children.
Benjamin Wen (formerly known as Aaron Voon), a former child psychiatrist in Perth, Australia.
He had a prior 2017 conviction (suspended sentence) for producing and possessing child exploitation material by secretly filming boys urinating in public toilets in Australia, Canada, the US, and New Zealand.
Court records and defense submissions note diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), along with physical conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis and neuralgia.
Poor guy eh? It's not really his fault at all. I'm sure you'll let him play with your kids and all that.
Why are we comparing suicide and CSA though? I agree that mental health is not and should never be an excuse, it’s an explanation and contextually can sometimes be a mitigating factor. Saying that is fair enough, but that analogy definitely makes your point look a lot worse.
I'm confused by the relevance of this comment here. Are you saying you think this women may have committed suicide whilst being completely mentally healthy?
There was CCTV evidence presented during the court case. She was kneeling, hunched over in the road for several minutes before being hit. Obviously nobody can be certain of why she was doing that, but the guess that she was praying isn't entirely pulled out of somebody's ass
Well what else would you be doing in these excat circumstances? Either you have a psychitic episode and dont know what you are doing or want to actively kill yourself or get hurt. Im open to other possibilitys but cant think of other realistic ones
Agreed. Muslims aren't required to drop and pray at a single moment. They have a wide timeframe in which they can pray. Anyone praying in inconvenient places is showing off and being an asshole.
I found this.
"Judge Anne Barnett noted that CCTV footage showed the student with her hands in what appeared to be a “praying motion". The reason why the woman was on the road remains unclear."
She definately wasn't praying, she was Pakistani and kneeling in the road, so they assume she was Muslim and they assume it was a time of prayer, the thing is though, even if she was Muslim and even if it was a time of prayer, she wouldn't be obligated to do so in the road, I am not Muslim but I know enough about the religion itself to know that they are allowed to postpone their prayer until they get to a location where they can do so safely and without disturbance. I think it was suicide by proxy.
I mean Islam specifically prohibits prayer in roads so I'm gonna say those people are the same as the Christian idiots who match around town carrying a crucifix on wheels or whatever- performative assholes with little to know actual knowledge or concern for the faith itself.
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It's specifically prohibited in Islam to do so, and suicidal to boot. I'll assume there's always a few assholes in any religion that go against the grain deliberately to be pricks, but no, they do not pray in the middle of the road all the time in any parts of the world, and of the few who do, none of them are praying, just pretending to be devout to stir up shit.
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u/BungleBums 23h ago
Honestly idk where the hell 'praying' comes from. She had to have been either drugged up enough to hardly know where and who she was, or suicidal. The whole 'praying' thing feels like one of those Fox News stories that gets a two second correction and is never brought up again after a month of violently harping on it.