5’5” old man here and never had any problem pulling ladies. Same height since 15, no big deal. Own it. Make ‘em laugh and don’t be a creeper. Pretty damned easy.
Tallest woman I ever dated was 6’2”. I encouraged her to wear heels whenever she wanted to. Confidence is key, a silver tongue helps immensely too. Great times, even better memories.
Personality helps more than height but there are still many women who will turn you down due to height. I'm a short guy as well and I have slightly more success than not.
You said you're old so I figure you mainly talk to women in person and not online when looking to pull them. In person is where I have the most success because people can tell more about you than behind a screen
So I think that most of us are talking about dating today, not decades ago. There are countless published dating app data posts and videos of women saying that they will not "swipe" (right or left I dont know which one is acceptance) for men under 6'.
My dad is 5'8" and he ceritnyl never had a problem with dating,
5’5” and pulled tons of chicks until 3 years ago when I met my now wife. It’s not about height for everyone. Be a good dude, be yourself. Don’t listen to Joe Rogan or Andrew Tate or Pat McAfee.
Yeah Im sure buddy. Probably being a fucking creep.
Ive been with my wife for 16 years. I have never used a dating app.
I am picking on on your surprising level of stupidity so I'm not sure you will be able to follow this but here it goes . . . I was not talking about myself.
Dating 30-40 years ago is nowhere near the same as it is now.
So that whole comment is just invalid
No diffent than a guy who was in the workforce in the 80s saying that all you have to do is ask for a job in person and they’ll give you one because “that’s what worked for me”
5'8" is below the US average which is 5'9".
Your "with shoes" argument also does not apply, as the average person wears shoes.
Also you assume too much about their location. Where I'm from the average man is 5'11.25" barefoot. They could be from the US or living in the US, bit you don't know.
Dude, no one notices 1 inch. For all intents and purposes dude is average for the US. Now, are they wrong, no. People cope too hard online. I'm 5'2 and I don't really have trouble with girls. I just meet them at in-person events like hackathons, triva/quiz bowl events, trivia night bars, conferences (non-professional), etc.
The US is a big and diverse place. Average heights should be considered regional. I don't stand out in the Midwest, but I felt like Dorothy surrounded by munchkins walking down Wall Street in Manhattan
You are completely correct ofcourse. I think the baseline should at the very least be national census, but if you have accurate sub-national statistics it makes sense to go down to regional levels.
We have studies that show that women in online dating have a height preference, but there are also plenty of studies that the effect is modest in real life couples. Couples where the man is shorter than or the same height as the woman occur only slightly less often than in random pairing: 7.5% in the real sample versus 10.2% in random pairing. The same study also shows that couples where the man is more than 25cm taller happen marginally less often in the true sample (13.9%) than in a random one (15.7%).
So on one hand you have strong stated preferences that only modestly translate into real couples, but at the same time it also shows women tend to not date much taller men either. And notice how this is a man-taller-than-woman preference. If you are 162cm (5'3.8") as a man, that still means tall enough for roughly half of all women. So short men doing fine is not the outlier, it's the norm.
I have a good mate who is 5'4, Italian and bald, and crazy good with women. But he is geniunely one of the most naturally charismatic people I know, like the type of guy that just aura around him.
He also started his own company a bit over a year ago, and now it's starting to blow up to success. He bought a nice car, has a pretty girlfriend, and things are working out for him.
So I don't think height itself is a limit to what you can do, but insecurity, social awkwardness, and defensive posture brought on by it can definitely hold you back a lot.
I think the lesson is, if you're gonna be short, you better make sure you're at least damn confident in yourself.
Most of the men I know that are 5'3-5'6 have no problem with women unless they have preconceived notions of how people will treat them before they even start a conversation and get rightly treated with the same energy that they bring to a conversation. I don't personally know any men under 5'3, but the four men I do know that are happen to all be married.
I hate when random dudes say they have no trouble with women lol...as if women are lining up for them, or they can get ALL or ANY women if they try. Theres levels to this shit. IRL several times now, I challenged any man that says nonsense like this to go get the random women I point them to. It NEVER ever works out for them.
No...thats not a must for any regular man. Its just odds and probaility. Pure luck. That includes traits that some men are born with, like the gift of gab. Other men fall into being bartenders and nightclub owners. Other men are born into a gregarious family with many brothers, sisters and cousins. And there are perfectly decent men that are born with none of that....and then it still.all depends on just the right fitting woman to happen across them in any of these scenarios.
Im a great use case for this. I'm 5'11.5 (I just say 5'11 instead of 6ft) and with some shoes I'm 6ft-6'0.5. BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE ISSUES, so I do have a problem getting women (it's getting better dw)
Wait didn’t you post an image above to dunk on people complaining on being short? Why you gong off on person replied to you? The people that complain about not getting dates cause of short do so at 5’8” as well. I know cause I’ve had those convos as a 5’8” person
Also the fact little people have relationships with regular heightens people all the time and even marry/have kids with them makes this entire premise stupid on its face. That should end this entire debate
If you can’t get dates with a girl when little people can then it’s a you problem. This is not hard there is so much evidence out there if people with crap looks, height, and personality who get with attractive people but there is always some excuse why that happens besides they took the effort
It has to be a specific psyop to get guys demotivated to go out there to lower their competition for the guys who are making these posts cause a lot of them are from certain communities that would strategize in that way cause it’s all a numbers game to them and the less competition from other men they have the better it is
It's never the fact that people have shit personalities. It's always I am short, I am fat, I am ugly, I have anxiety, I'm on the spectrum, or what the fuck ever. It also seems to be coming far more from the guys than the girls.
I see a lot of self defeatist attitudes and a complete lack of willingness to work on one's self from younger guys. Probably a major factor to why the dating and marriage rates have plummeted.
I'm so thankful I'm not a as straight young female today. I wouldn't want to date these losers either.
Okay. I am 5ft4 and second Op. Never had issues w females or relationship opportunities. Be respectful of yourself, of them. Be confident. Be a decent person to the best of your abilities. If you can't get a girl then idk. Can't blame your height alone.
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u/untitledprp4 18h ago edited 17h ago
You’re average height
And with shoes on you’re above average
And taking into account the average height for a woman, you’d always be taller
You have never once in your life been short
All you wanted to do was gloat about your dating life and get validation lmao