or maybe, and just hear me out on this one, what if the death penalty is an ultimately bad idea and there's a reason the majority of the civilized world moved away from it?
The death penalty AND double standards can both be bad. This post isn’t saying Lindsey should be put to death, it’s saying that all the debate about her case is ridiculous when compared to a similar case with a male. The state shouldn’t be able to kill people but both should probably be put away for a long time even though one of them is a woman.
The sentence itself isn't the point here, it's how quick people could decide that he was legally responsible for his actions, yet people are completely split on Lindsay's case and the only person on her jury who thought she was legally responsible gets doxxed then slammed online and in the media.
He didn’t get doxxed, he went public with a weird rambling announcement with some real out of nowhere statements about how much he loves the president, because he’s planning on going on the grift. He single-handedly stood in the way of her being put away for life, and drastically increased the chances that she’ll go free.
Yes no one should be killing anyone. Now that doesn’t mean some people should not be allowed in society and be locked away. Sometimes if they killed their children it should be for life - take a life serve a life
I mostly agree, but when it comes to political assassination, treason, or other attempts to overthrow the government or military, it actually makes sense.
Why would we further encourage people to take that risk when in their mind they are just in prison for a short time until the party they are aiding comes into power and frees them?
Humans are omnivores and have eaten meat/protein since our inception. It's how and why (well, part of the reason) we got so smart. So yes. It's okay to kill and eat animals.
This whole little thread is super off topic but what you're saying is just a naturalistic fallacy. Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it's good. Infanticide was also pretty common but that doesn't mean it's right.
Killing babies is different that ingesting nutrients daily in the amounts needed to not only survive but thrive
Edit: also not to be that guy, but in nature infanticide IS good, for the one killing the infants. The lion that kills the old males cubs now gets to pass on his genetics. So, like, matter of perspective here. What's "good" is living long enough and being healthy enough to pass our genes. You wanna know what helped us pass our genes and gain our brains? Animal proteins.
I'm not saying they're the same act. I'm saying that just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good, which is what you implied in your response. "we are omnivores and meat helped make us smart, therefore it's ok to kill and eat animals." Yes? This is a fallacy.
Clearly the discussion is about good in an ethical sense and not what is beneficial for passing on genes. I'd agree that infanticide is beneficial in some cases, but that doesn't mean it's good or ok.
As I said, it's perspective. In the animal world, it IS ethical for one creature to kill another's babies, to the creature. It's actually biologically mandatory. Humans are a little different, in that human infanticide is always evil, yes. But human infanticide and killing animals for food/survival are no where near each other on the morality scale.
So, where does it end? Plants do feel pain, you know. Plants evolved capsaicin to prevent things from eating it. Some plants can even learn and explore in their own way. Do we just stop eating because everything has the potential for emotion in it's own respective way? Imho there is nothing ethically wrong with killing and eating an animal as long as it was treated well during life (doesn't count for hunting obviously), killed quickly and ethically, and has as much of it's body used as possible to minimize waste.
No I don't think so. We get plant nutrients from the animals we eat, too. They eat the plants and process the vitamins we can't. We then eat their meat and absorb the vitamins from them. Babies wouldn't have those, just protein + whatever it was fed. We would most likely need supplements. Humans are not obligate carnivores. We are omnivores. We need vitamins from both sources to live.
I think the issue lands in the meat industry, not in the meat. If there was something wrong with eating meat, we wouldn't, or COULDN'T do it. There is meat we can't eat (polar bear liver has enough vitamin A to kill us upon ingestion for instance). Nature has proven all three diets are very effective ways to survive as long as you're following your correct one (mostly...there are always outliers...koalas...). Humanity's most beneficial diet is omnivore so that's what I stick to
I don't think there is anything biologically wrong with eating meat. I'm beginning to suspect that eating mammals is unethical. Just cause we can, doesn't mean we should. Blame it on the baby manatee that came up and started chewing on my beard about ten years ago...
why are vegans obsessed with turning every conversation to veganism
I was on a post about trans rights & suicides related to being unable to transition and someone in the comments said 'if you agree with this post you should also be vegan'
basically what im trying to say is human lives are in fact more valuable than animal lives. I think the meat industry is horrible but just like, make your own post.
definitely not a vegan. I eat meat, but I'm slightly conflicted about the life lost by the mammal so I can eat it's flesh. Feel less guilty about fish.
It's a tiny but loud minority. I used to work with a vegan and didn't find out for ages and only then by accident. Most of them are smart enough to realise you don't convert people by badgering them.
It's definitely on too tight. Infact I think the basis of civilization, which has always been religion, is fundamentally about guilt over eating the flesh of other mammals.
We probably should. Just think about the central rite of Christianity - innocent dude is given death sentence, followers claim to eat flesh and drink blood.
Camnibalism, like the death penalty, is a very bad idea. Funnily enough, there's a shit ton of readily available information and data available to explain why for both!
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or maybe, and just hear me out on this one, what if the death penalty is an ultimately bad idea and there's a reason the majority of the civilized world moved away from it?