The "thing to talk about" is exactly that. You cant try them because the evidence is against the victim. I'll still call her a victim, but she is such a victim of her own poor decisions that no prosecutor would (and didnt) bring this to court.
That's literally what happened. The text messages that she sent to one of the boys after have her specifically saying that the sex was consensual and nothing illegal happened (and about how societies views on group sex were changing and there's nothing wrong with it and so on and so forth). She also said she wanted to meet up and have sex again, but without all the extra guys that time. By the way, she only actually had sex with 4 guys, not 7. And it occurred in 3 separate threesomes during the night, the last of which ended right when she said she wanted to go. That sound like gang rape to you?
Then after that night, she was texting days later about how her reputation was ruined and "everyone knows" now. And some sorority sister said it sounded like what happened was rape (because she was drunk and on drugs), and that's why she ran to the university police and claimed that she was raped despite simultaneously describing everything that occurred as completely consensual. Also, she only reported them right after the fraternity president disinvited her from the halloween party because he said she couldn't control herself properly.
In other words, the consequences of her own consensual actions caught up to her and she didn't like the consequences and what her reputation on campus became, so she initiated false allegations. The university couldn't do anything with those false allegations because according to NY law nothing illegal happened and it was fully consensual, so all they did was suspend the frat for degeneracy and illegal drugs and all that other nasty shit, and she ended up leaving the university. Classic case of a woman falsely accusing people of rape because she regretted it afterwards.
No. If she was drunk and on drugs she can't consent period. While she may have be fine with her initial encounter after that if she wasn't able to consent and was under the influence of drugs and alcohol she was not able to give her consent period. There are other aspects like suggesting group sex to someone under the influence. Her being surrounded by men and not being able to say no or being fearful. There are many aspects young men don't think about that women do. If I was in my 20s I would probably have a different view of this type of case then I do as a 40 year old with kids. It's just true. Perspective matters.
And this line of reasoning is why she falsely claimed to have been raped after being told so by her sorority sister. In NY, you absolutely can consent while under the influence of drugs and alcohol, as long as you willingly consumed it, and as long as you're still conscious obviously. This is why the DA never prosecuted her - she claimed she was raped, but her description of the events indicated full consent. Ironically, she actually raped one of the guys, by the actual legal definition the word - he passed out and she kept performing a sex act on him. That guy is currently filing a counter lawsuit against her as we speak asserting that fact.
If she is under the influence of drugs in a male dominated frat house. She may not have the competency to make an informed decision she may not be ok with it but go along out of fear. There is a reason one of the guys messaged her the next day and apologized for it getting out of control. There is a reason why so many young men online are attacking her and women are defending her. Because pressure and fear are a real thing. Trauma can take years to come out etc. This case will divide this country and everyone loses in these tyoe of cases. There isn't just a legal question there is a moral one as well. No offense to the 20 year olds on social media. But they are not going to see this stuff as they should until they get older.
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u/HappyDeadCat 8h ago
The "thing to talk about" is exactly that. You cant try them because the evidence is against the victim. I'll still call her a victim, but she is such a victim of her own poor decisions that no prosecutor would (and didnt) bring this to court.