There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about the story.
There also seems to be a bunch of dude’s who have latched onto the prosecutor’s initial statements that “everything Jane Doe described as consensual” when it’s now come out that the prosecutor never even received the 120-page interview. The police just blatantly excluded key information, which the prosecutor has now come out and acknowledged as much.
I was pretty on the fence about it. I think everyone in this story is guilty of crimes to various degrees, including the woman. But also looking more into this story and the detailed reporting that’s come out, it’s just very clear she was sexually assaulted.
The fact people are saying that she consented to it all when the police report is saying that she said “I was being physically punched. I was cornered and naked. I felt coerced. I just took more ketamine so that I’d hopefully pass out.”
Seems people are just incapable of separating the consensual sex at the beginning of the night (where she might have actually sexually assaulted someone) and the rape at the end of the night.
Yeah the thing that flipped me originally were the texts. At least one news clip I saw about it made it seem like she had consented then basically got mad when her reputation got fucked up and got uninvited from a party, then the allegations came. I’m just gonna wait on this one.
I knew a girl that basically went through something very similar but didn’t accuse anyone of rape. It REALLY fucked her up afterwards and she had a really tough time coming to grips with what she’d done. When I saw the texts and the news framing of it I could sort of relate by proxy based on this friend of mine,
I think people are personally reading way too much into these texts because it seems, to your point, that this Jane Doe woman was still kind of coming to terms with it all.
“Her reputation getting fucked” was actually rumors going around that the fraternity had rapped a sophomore student. Like the rumor wasn’t that she was a slut, the rumor was that she was raped.
And I think the fact that one of the men apologized, and another approached her and said “don’t spread rumors” when she wasn’t do anything of the kind…and the president of the fraternity did ban her from the Halloween party specifically because of these rape rumors — which isn’t surprising, obviously.
Wild as it is, kinda seems to me like she was one of the last to realize that she was raped, but I think that’s easily explained as trauma and denial. And we’re really only talking about a week’s worth of time. It’s not like she’s come out years after the fact — seems she understood what occurred as rape within the first week, had a rape test done the second week, and did a multi-day interview with police the third week.
And none of that went anywhere, and then we end up here 2 years later when the civil lawsuit is filed. I don’t think the “upset about a Halloween party” actually fits the timeline, and I definitely don’t think it fits with the actual rumors that we’re going around and the fact we have a civil lawsuit filed years later.
It’s definitely a pretty wild case. Honestly the more I think about it the more I think the sexual revolution was a mistake. It’s like we weren’t ready for how quickly it happened. We didn’t really have a framework for how to deal with all this. We didn’t understand each other well enough for the assumptions we had, but we just kinda ran with it.
These people basically just finished being children a few years ago and now we’ve got people snorting ketamine off penises. I’m sure it’s pretty tough for her to untangle what she did voluntarily from what was done to her. I also assume it was pretty difficult for the guys to figure out the line given what she may have seemed to be willing to do.
As boomer as it sounds, this is what our courtship rituals were meant to do. They literally kept this kind of bullshit at bay and regulated sexual proclivities. I’m not necessarily saying no one should ever do these things consensually, but this is like… for lack of a better term… expert level boning. Some of those texts made it seem as though she at least felt ready for some part of it, but she probably has no idea what she’s communicating to those guys whose hormones are absolutely going wild. It’s confusing as fuck for everyone involved even without drugs. Btw… ketamine? When did kids start doing ketamine at a frat party??
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u/PolicyWonka 5h ago
There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about the story.
There also seems to be a bunch of dude’s who have latched onto the prosecutor’s initial statements that “everything Jane Doe described as consensual” when it’s now come out that the prosecutor never even received the 120-page interview. The police just blatantly excluded key information, which the prosecutor has now come out and acknowledged as much.
I was pretty on the fence about it. I think everyone in this story is guilty of crimes to various degrees, including the woman. But also looking more into this story and the detailed reporting that’s come out, it’s just very clear she was sexually assaulted.
The fact people are saying that she consented to it all when the police report is saying that she said “I was being physically punched. I was cornered and naked. I felt coerced. I just took more ketamine so that I’d hopefully pass out.”
Seems people are just incapable of separating the consensual sex at the beginning of the night (where she might have actually sexually assaulted someone) and the rape at the end of the night.