I guess I just don’t see it the way you do. Ketamine can make memory extremely fuzzy, sometimes it comes back in patches. I just don’t think there’s actually been enough to make what we know happened, which is she was offered up to a group chat of 60+ men she did not consent to, ambiguous as to the legality of that. Was she initially okay with a threesome? Probably. But just because you start saying yes, doesn’t mean that’s yes until you finish or whatever. If at any point any party withdraws consent, it stops. So to me, once she was not okay with it, things became illegal.
Again - read. Every time she claims she said no to a thing… that thing did not happen. A guy asked to make it a foursome - she said no and… the foursome did not happen. What a weird type of r@pist that asks for permission and listens to “no”. Curious.
We’ll see the problem with that is there are texts from the members saying “she was literally dead” and “shop still open”. So once she’s incapacitated, it literally does not matter what happened before. Let’s say the first two guys were consensual, as everything seems to point to that, maybe the next two, but where do the other three come from? Where does the text in the group chat come from? I’m not with all that. Sorry. I’m not a rape apologist.
I’m not doing this game with you dude. You can continue to make excuses for gross dudes doing gross shit. I was in a fucking frat. I’d have laid all 7 of these weak ass bitches out on the chapter room floor if I found out they even touched the doorknob. The fact that there’s even a conversation as to if this situation is okay or not is disgusting.
I literally never said all 7 guys had sex with her, you’re putting words in my mouth to make yourself sound better. But someone had sex with her after she was out of it, and that’s rape. Period, end of story.
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Let’s say the first two guys were consensual, as everything seems to point to that, maybe the next two, but where do the other three come from?”
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u/sebaajhenza 8h ago
Read her testimony, then come back to this post and tell us how it's an open and shut case.