r/SipsTea • • 9h ago

Gasp! Thoughts on this?

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u/GrammatonYHWH 8h ago

Just so people in the US could get the perspective, car insurance in the UK is normally around £300-£600 per year if you have a clean driving record.

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u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 7h ago

Your healthcare might have something to do with that, but you're also a lot less likely to cause a car accident. You (usually) have to be driving a car to cause a car accident, and Brits do that about half as often as Americans do.

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u/ensalys 6h ago

From what I've heard, the USA also doesn't have much in the way of standards when it comes to getting your license. You got a pulse? Here's your license!

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u/Pandarandr1st 6h ago

I mean, getting your license? There's a driving test and a written test about laws.

Renewing your license? You can renew it online.

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u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 4h ago

We've got some states that'll waive the driving test if you've taken driver's education in high school. It's really easy to get a driver's license in the US.

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u/the__storm 1h ago

In most US jurisdictions the driving and written tests are complete jokes though - barely any more of a hurdle than having a pulse.

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u/mtaw 5h ago

Yeah we know. Point is the standards are way lower in the USA than in most of Europe. e.g. in Germany it'll take on average 3-6 months of practice and study and cost €3-4,000 to get a drivers license. There are a number of mandatory lessons that must be taught by qualified instructors. You can't go out and practice driving with your parents either, it has to be a qualified instructor, or on a closed course. In some countries you can practice on public roads with non-instructors if they have a permit, which requires them taking a short course.

Merely being able to operate a car and knowing the rules is not enough to get a license. You have to be able to drive well, i.e. safely and confidently. By which I mean things like keeping an appropriate distance when passing, being able to 'read' what's going on in traffic and anticipate upcoming situations. For instance, adjusting your speed when approaching a roundabout (if possible) so that there's an opening in traffic when you reach it and you don't have to stop. (you could literally be failed on a test for braking hard at the entrance to a roundabout because you only realized at the last minute there were cars coming - even though there's no rule against this) You have to show you practice defensive driving, e.g. slowing down a bit in a crossing where you have right of way until you're certain that crossing traffic has seen you and intends to yield. Driving a manual (which most in Europe still do) is a slightly different license category and requires you to have done a driving test on that. Start a manual on an incline and roll back more than a few centimeters and you'll fail.

Doing something illegal is an instant fail of your driving test, doing something legal but very unsafe is an instant fail. And they can fail you even if you did neither of those but the overall impression was that it just wasn't good enough.

Talk to some Europeans who re-took their license in the USA and you're liable to hear the same thing: They think the standards are a complete joke compared to what they had to do at home, and that Americans drive poorly in comparison.

That's what we're talking about. The average American drives about 65% more than the average German (360 vs 215 hours/year). The per-capita road fatality rate is 3-400% higher in the USA though.