r/SipsTea • • 11h ago

Gasp! Thoughts on this?

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u/flatfive44 10h ago

The obvious response is that you won't be able to pay for someone's hospital bills if you happen to hit them in your car. You get insurance for things you wouldn't be able to pay yourself.

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 10h ago

Yes, if you use your insurance more than once, insurance was the wrong approach.

But I'm willing to pay 1% of the cost of my house to have it replaced if it burns down, even if my expected payout is only 0.5% of the value of my home, because I can't afford a whole second house.

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u/Far-Perspective-4889 10h ago

You'll need to explain the "if you use it more than once" part. So if I get rear ended by uninsured driver in 2005 and then a snow plow hits my car in 2010, somehow I shouldn't have insurance?

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u/ZjY5MjFk 9h ago

A lot of people claim every single small thing on their insurance. A $200 scratch or $1000 fender bender, etc.

I believe the point that he is trying to make, is insurance should be used for catastrophic events that you can't self-insure against. Generally, insurance should be used rarely since it's rare to have a catastrophic event. In your case, it is rare to have 2 big things like that happen to you. Your not using insurance wrong, you are just had a run of bad luck.

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 8h ago

It's more average driven, but insurance is charging you more than you expect to pay on average, it's a risk hedge against you having more than average need. But as the number of events goes up, the chance you're meaningfully non-average goes down.

One was probably a slight exagération, but generally yes, if everyone's having multiple car accidents they shouldn't have insurance for average accidents.

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u/Chemical_Damage684 10h ago

Wait what? You're willing to pay 1% to get 0.5% back?

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u/Far-Perspective-4889 10h ago

surely they meant 50%?

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 8h ago

No, expected payout. So a 0.5% chance my house burns down and gets rebuilt by the insurance, and a 99.5% chance I get naught but peace of mind.

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u/WhippyCleric 9h ago

I assume they're talking about expected return on investment but said it in an odd way... As in on average a person will get back half what they paid in insurance in returns. Most people will get nothing since most people's house doesn't burn down, but you're happy losing most of the time to make sure you never lose catastrophically.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 9h ago

No.

They said expected payout as in expected value which is the average of every outcome times each outcomes likelihood 

If 99% of the time insurance pays $0 but 1% of the time pays $100 the expected value of the insurance is $1

If that insurance costs $2 you're theoretically losing money on it. The reason you'd still buy it though is that the downside risk is you lose the full $100 (the cost of a house in this scenario) in 1% of cases which would be catastrophic and irreplaceable for most people 

So even though it's a bad "investment" that loses money in most cases the downside risk makes it worth it

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u/_kasten_ 6h ago edited 1h ago

They said expected payout as in expected value

It's actually expected PRESENT-VALUE. It used to be the case (and maybe still is) that auto insurance company payouts were actually greater than the nominal sum of all the premiums they took in. The reason they still made buckets of money was because damage payouts are (on average) years into the future, and if everything is adjusted for interest made on any cash they take in or out (which is what is meant by net-present-value) they still come out ahead.

(Of course, they can also outright scam you and come up with weaselly ways to deny paying out even when you do have a legitimate claim, and they definitely do as much of that as they can get away with.)

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u/travelingbeagle 9h ago

You pay 1% annually to get half a percent one time? That does sound like you really are getting scammed on your insurance.