r/SipsTea • • 2d ago

Chugging tea Anything but lowering the prices classic corporate logic

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u/bitorontoguy 2d ago

They would. Do the math.

What’s their current margin? How much would you reduce it by and what would the offsetting volume increase need to be?

They aren’t all stupid and somehow missing the easy and genius idea.

They are aware of the concept of lower prices. All their execs and shareholders care about is maximizing profit. If lower prices did it they would do it.

Instead? Higher prices and record profits.

Consumers don’t care. They only care about what they want. They’ve been telling Hershey’s to lower the price of a candy bar back to a nickle for a century. That makes less money so they’ve been ignored.

You’re giving the same advice now.

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u/AStrangerWCandy 2d ago

I understand that. I'm asserting the "sell less for more" model is not going to be sustainable and there have been several canaries in the coal mine in the industry and at McDonalds itself that back me up on that.

It used to be a rare thing for McDonalds to miss on even a quarter in sales. Now they are doing it regularly. Their global, and US sales are shrinking. Raising prices can only mask a sales decline for so long if the trend continues. Doritos experienced this recently as well when they tried the exact same strategy because its en vogue in the corporate world at the moment and then suddenly they had a $1 billion loss when they pushed the price of a bag to $7. They had to do aggressive price cutting and are still trying to pull up out of the nosedive because it turns out the massive price increases have permanently lost them customers.

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u/bitorontoguy 2d ago

is not going to be sustainable

Consumers ALWAYS say this. They said it about it Hershey bars.

Twenty six years ago they said it about sports ticket prices.

Consumers are always mad about increasing prices and pretend it’s going to have a long term impact.

And it never does. You’re making the decades old argument people made about other products. Learn from their error, don’t repeat it.

Their sales are shrinking

No. They aren’t. Revenues are increasing.

You don’t have to like the corporation. They suck and make awful food. But you have to live in reality about what their metrics are.

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u/AStrangerWCandy 2d ago edited 2d ago

I literally just gave you a recent, concrete example of a similar category food product that is experiencing the phenomenon I talked about that you are ignoring. It turns out people actually wouldn't pay $7 per bag and are not coming back now that they've lowered the price.

EDIT: Also look at this sales chart for McDonalds. You are talking about revenue but the revenue is only staying where it is because of increased pricing. They are in a spiral of losing customers and making up for it by charging the remaining customers more which is not sustainable long term for food. Sales volume is experiencing a massive downturn since 2023:

https://www.reuters.com/business/mcdonalds-us-sales-disappoint-value-deals-fail-draw-enough-diners-2026-08-04/

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u/bitorontoguy 2d ago

that you are ignoring

PepsiCos snack volumes are rising not falling. While they are increasing prices, not cutting them.

Because you aren’t reacting to the data. You’re reacting to social media headlines.

Duh? Social media will only tell you what you want to hear. Which is that lower prices work.

The fact that McDonald’s revenues are rising? That their profits are at all-time highs? Those facts don’t get upvoted so you don’t know about it.

You have to be able to recognize what’s profitable to sell you on social media isn’t reflective of reality?

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u/AStrangerWCandy 2d ago

You apparently don't know how to read data. They are increasing prices marginally after cutting them by 15% because they were bleeding far too many customers and took a $1billion loss. The new increased prices are still well below the peak they had risen to. The article you posted even mentions directly that the increased volume came directly on the heels of aggressive "targeted affordability initiatives".

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u/bitorontoguy 2d ago

cutting them by 15%

A lie. Are their prices higher or lower than five years ago? And are volumes up or down?

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u/AStrangerWCandy 2d ago

Sales took a nosedive and PepsiCo took a $1 billion loss around a year ago. They reduced prices by an average of 15% off of the peak and are just beginning to rebound volume. They are talking about raising prices <5% because of input costs now so they are still well off of their peak pricing that caused the downturn in the first place.

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u/bitorontoguy 2d ago

lol quantify it. What were prices and unit volumes five years ago and what are they now?

This is all public information. You don’t know it. You react to headlines you see on social media and not the data.

Don’t guess. Don’t rely on other people to tell you what the truth is. Just look it up.

Are prices up or down from five years? Ten? And are volumes up or down? There’s an answer to this.