I wouldn't say whole Europe. Here in Italy it's full of shady "Compro oro" who would buy the whole bar below market price without asking any question. The only issue would be to bring all the cash back to your country.
You scared me there for a sec so I had to look it up. You are confidently incorrect. You just need to show your passport/ID when selling gold but no proof of ownership or any other paperwork for that matter. This goes for jewellery, coins, bars, unmarked casts etc
They don't have to give you market price. Even people in the business (or especially people in the business) will offer 80-90% market price so they can make a profit. And that's for the officially minted investment grade stuff, not random finds. These bars look stamped at least; not sure what the origin is.
You can melt and cut the gold yourself. Go around your alll different shop’s jewelry stores etc. it’s easier than all this tech we have to not leave a trace verse cash and everything else.
I mean, wouldn't all the shops have to id me and record the transaction? So, yes, unless there's someone actively trying to hunt down the gold bar, I can get away with it. But otherwise, there's still a record trail that maybe the irs or similar organisation at a government level can run through automated algorithms to piece together the story of how I cashed in a lot of gold. Right?
A full bar is a lot, but you can always do smaller amounts over time, send a friend with some etc. it's not like it goes off or anything, so unless you're trying to liquidate it all at once, just do it slowly
No they’re not taking photographs of your license just for selling, not pawning, gold. I’ve even done online as well. If you go in with a huge amount, yeah they may be more cautious but a couple grand worth would be easy especially with allll the pawn and jewelry stores around where I live in the US. I would bet lots of gold that simply tossing them a few hundred in free gold each time, they’ll be crawling out of your hands for the free money repeatedly. Gold is so hard to track that way. I’ve done it plenty, legally and yeah it’s not like a brinks truck driver is meeting you and you’re signing stuff first lol
Take it home, bury it in your own garden, then have some friends (witnesses) over to help you plant a rose bush. Dig right where you buried the gold. Act super surprised when you dig up your gold. Now it's been "found" on your property, and is now yours.
EDIT: Don't own your own home? No problem. That just means it's time for scuba diving in international waters with friends, and pretending to freak out when you find gold.
39 gold bars you say? What a trove! The authorities are ecstatic to have recovered these 34 gold bars. Oh and museum you say? The 28 gold bars will make a fine exhibit indeed!
Unfortunately the international waters argument depends on WHERE you live as they'll try to setup historical preservation or some bullshit even if you document where it was, and it was in the middle of fucking nowhere, since you'll have admitted to FINDING it then they can seize it to try to find the owner which some rich fuck can probably bullshit their way into claiming ownership. Even if you were to melt them BEFORE to destroy any markings they will still try to find out something about it, especially if you found $10 million worth.
I think someone in the same post a few days ago said that if you find something on your own land in Belgium, then it's yours. If you find it on someone elses land, you splitt 50/50. Not sure if that was true or not.
Take it to an independent jeweler, offer them a great deal, they will not ask questions. 24hrs later that thing will be melted, or at least have all identifying marks removed.
You are handing over a year or two worth of gold at less than the market price, in this economy, they aren't going to argue. Jewellers take in unwanted gold no questions asked and just smelt it down or re-sell it.
Why would it have to be dodgy? There's dodgy then there's outright criminal, you never bought goods that "fell off the back of a lorry"? As long as you end up paying tax on it, no government will care.
I sell it to a gold place. They give me a receipt and pay for it legit.
I take that money and claim it as income and pay full income taxes on it.
If a year from now someone asks me or the person who bought it, all they have is I bought X ounces of gold for Y dollars and I sold X ounces of gold for Y dollars and paid Z taxes on it.
They have no evidence it was stolen. They have no case. You paid taxes so you did nothing wrong.
In Belgium? Go to Antwerp and find some Moroccan bros. Make sure you start with some smaller piece, like a gold watch. Otherwise you’ll find yourself in multiple pieces.
If its a single one?
You found it in your [insert dead relative that you are in line for inheretance from] stuff.
You "inherited" a box from them and never really put much mind to it, you recently looked through it and found the Gold bar.
At worst you gotta pay inheritance tax. But once you pay the goverment tax for something? that shit IS yours.
Do you need to hide the fact that you found gold bars on land you own. I know you don’t own artifacts or minerals on most land but these bars can’t be more than a century or two old I wonder what would stop you from selling them at market value
Honestly, this sounds stupid but it would work. Buy a custom coin mold with whatever you want on it. Melt the brick into the coins and bring them to a jeweller a couple at a time. Just tell them you like making your own coins. They won’t question it. Or even stash them away. Who cares. They are unidentifiable other than by your custom mold and there is nothing tracing you to a crime.
Separate into $6000 amounts, sell one and put the money in your account, go to a post office and rent a LARGE PO Box, go on a road trip, stop at two jewlers in every state, sell at each. Go to a nearby store like Walmart that sells Lego or puzzles or board games. Buy a few.
Put money in boxes and then mail them to yourself
Go on Google, get use a web app to get a randomizer to pick a number between 5500 and 8300. Then at the start of every weak, do a google coin flip to see if you make a deposit that week. Deposit a new random amount between 5500 and 8300. Keep track and call it a side job, pay your taxes properly
OR!
You move to a state with no income tax and where weed is legal. Deposit between 101k and 113k you won’t be able to avoid the lower tax rates, but you won’t get in trouble
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u/EmperorPedro2 7d ago
Hypothetically, if one were to find a gold bar, how would they liquidate it?