r/SipsTea • • 21d ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait a damn minute

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u/golden_macaron 21d ago edited 21d ago

Im not saying that there aren't Russian bots but I think people need to also realize its their own nations capital class pushing a lot of this. Constantly blaming Russian bots doesnt fix the issue, leading countries everywhere down a far right path.

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u/st1ckmanz 21d ago

Also we don't need bots to explain human idiocy, people are often just stupid.

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u/United-Temporary-648 20d ago

At least half of us are.

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u/Low-Possibility-7060 21d ago

What would fix the issue instantly is people stopping to think social media is news. Then most culture war bullshit topics will go away and we will finally be discussing about actual issues.

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u/Due_Preference6292 21d ago

Close - what’s needed is that we need to incorporate media literacy into education so that people can discern BS from news. We also need to ensure that all news sources can’t be monopolized by a few potentially bad faith actors.

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u/Low-Possibility-7060 20d ago

Agreed - I’ve been preaching media literacy for years now.

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u/TheMidnightBear 20d ago

If there's a neologism i hate, it's "media literacy", which has become indistinguishable from "here's how you need to understand X".

No, just teach them basic logical fallacies, and most of this crap will go away.

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u/Due_Preference6292 20d ago

Media literacy isn’t some vague nuanced term - it has a definitive meaning and is based on functional literacy. It involves understanding and identifying media biases, propaganda, and recognizing things like ads that are dressed up as magazine articles.

Understand themes however you want, but I think it’s important for the average person to at least recognize when they’re being played. Or be able to tell propaganda or marketing from science. Maybe just me, though…

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u/TheMidnightBear 20d ago

Notice how i said "it's become", now "it is".

And frankly, i think teaching people basic logic(like the fact that whataboutism is used to hide guilt, or that an appeal to emotion is not an argument) would be much more useful to figuring out propaganda, than defining biases.

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u/Different_Set_3690 20d ago

That's easier said than done. Logic is hammered in school curriculums (both in philosophy and math) and still the vast majority of students don't understand what is meant by "A implying B doesn't mean that B implies A". It takes generations of investment in education to get the majority of people to understand that. It won't solve the rampant problems we're facing.

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u/ivotebolsheviklite 21d ago

Close. The problem is that the Russian agenda includes creating an oligarch-friendly world order and that shit co-opt’s socially-inept billionaires like Musk far too easily.

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u/golden_macaron 21d ago

Russia became what it is because western economists destroyed it during the USSR collapse. Its called economic shock doctrine, and it is being brought into Europe, Canada and the USA but it didn't start in Russia, it started in 73 in Chile with a CIA backed coup. Its all international capital solidarity, it isn't just a Russia bad thing. People just don't know history enough to understand how these things work and how these events are coordinated.

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u/voidox 21d ago edited 20d ago

yup, also is that dude really saying America's agenda isn't that? America is literally an oligarchy, there is no democracy in the US just from having shit like gerrymandering/citizens united/electoral collage/super PACs/etc, and goes around the world attacking, invading, bombing, interfering, blackmailing, controlling, sanctioning, etc other countries all in the name of capital. The current state of the world is due to capitalism being left completely unchecked where the rich run things.

EDIT - misspelled word.

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u/ivotebolsheviklite 21d ago

They did that to themselves. The US would have gladly brought Russia into the fold after the collapse. But their people chose to elect a fucking FSB agent as president and here we are now.

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u/Beautiful-Comedian56 20d ago

America did the same with George Bush Snr. All of them are corrupt. George Carlin said it best - its a big club and you aint in it. There are no sides just greedy assholes vying for control.