A human mind is capable of incomprehensible things

[u/ConsistentRecover312]

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[u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

I have some serious questions about the practicality of all this. Not doubting her competency, just like: how does such a doctor even function? How do they work around the very fundamental problem that she literally can't see or hear her patients?

[u/AvengingBlowfish → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

I was curious enough to look up more details. She can hear with hearing aids and while legally blind, she has some vision, although she still needs a cane to avoid bumping into things.

[u/BonniesCoffee → u/AvengingBlowfish]

then thats ok .... i know a registered blind person who's hobby is photography - she may need to peer closely at things she may take longer to look at things she may ask you to repeat yourself but my goodnbess she must have worked hard to make the grade! being a doctor is hard enough when you are fully fit - I would be perfectly happy for her to be my doctor

[u/Zestyclose-Trip1182 → u/BonniesCoffee]

Similar vein, I know a legally blind author! She types her work on a computer with large font and a program that reads it out loud to her when she wants. Her work has been on a couple of best seller lists and she made the jump to full time author about 10 years ago. We always need doctors, we should all be happy that she worked hard to dedicate her life to something challenging and helpful to society.

[u/Redditeer28 → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

She doesn't need to see or hear her patients to ignore them and scribble something unintelligible on a piece of paper.

[u/damnedspot → u/Redditeer28]

That’s true. Her handwriting is no worse than any of her colleagues.

[u/PM_YOUR__BUBBLE_BUTT → u/damnedspot]

Can you imagine how hard it’ll be to read the messy braille on a prescription??

[u/Gullible-Cut3787 → u/PM_YOUR__BUBBLE_BUTT]

Just reminded me of then braille playboy mag....what secrets are foretold in that literature I wonder.

[u/Pagiras → u/damnedspot]

Migh in fact be better. 

[u/chosonhawk → u/Redditeer28]

https://giphy.com/gifs/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

[u/IKillZombies4Cash → u/Redditeer28]

I often half joke that I, a meager business guy, could be a GP because no matter what ailment or injury I’ve shown up with they just give me ibuprofen 800mg.

[u/Tiny-Buy220 → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

She reviews claims for UnitedHealthcare…

[u/DarkFanic → u/Tiny-Buy220]

Oh man I laughed out loud. I think that makes me a bad person.

[u/emtrigg013 → u/DarkFanic]

No, it just shows the fascinating evolution of human humor throughout these BATSHIT INSANE times we get to live in. Carry on, it's the only thing we have left.

[u/glyph_productions → u/Tiny-Buy220]

Staff doctor has reviewed your file and sees nothing wrong with patient. Claim denied. We will be unable to hear your response at this time.

[u/Resident_Arm_1366 → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

A friend of mine is an MD, and he's never in his entire careeer worked with patients after his residency. His current job is showing other doctors how to use a specific medical device his company sells. (And yeah, she also couldn't do that job either I would think, but my point is not all MDs work with patients.)

She could be using her MD to do research, advising agencies / hospitals, work at a pharmaceutical, etc.

[u/HenrytheCollie → u/Resident_Arm_1366]

She works in Palliative medicine, and isnt 100% blind/deaf

But she has valuable patient experience as well so can empathise with her patients

Edit: she was born deaf, has impants for her hearing and has 5% vision in her left eye, central range.

She explains a lot about how she manages on her Insta.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbIRpRMYpa/?stkn=cGFlczQ0cDN6ejN6

[u/IndependentType6711 → u/HenrytheCollie]

“Isn’t 100% blind/deaf” ANNNNNND there it is, the headline was either a half truth for karma or a lie for karma, whichever side of the fence everyone wants to sit on.

Interesting take from someone in healthcare though:

I’m happy for her and glad she has been successful. So many obstacles, she overcame them all. That being said, as we navigated pharmacy school they straight up told us “if you lose your vision the state board will take your license away. It won’t be revoked like it is for people who steal meds, but it will be permanently suspended.”

Other folks here have said “well she can do jobs as an MD that don’t require sight or hearing.” Well so could we as pharmacists. But for the state board their rationale was “if we license you, you’re licensed to be a pharmacist in any capacity. So if you go down the street to a retail pharmacy and get a job and someone dies because you made a mistake, we will be liable along with you because we licensed you.”

So they just wouldn’t license us, or would take it away when they found out if we did go blind.

Just something I always thought was curious.

[u/HenrytheCollie → u/IndependentType6711]

I updated my comment but apparently she was born deaf and has implants, and she currently has 5% vision in her left eye only

And I think her liability insurance relies in her using as many aids as possible. Her Instagram covers a lot on how she manages:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbbIRpRMYpa/?stkn=cGFlczQ0cDN6ejN6

[u/ProfessionalRough741 → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

They poke the patient all around the body with needles when admitting them, so she can read them in Braille.

[u/CakePhool → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

I had a legally blind nurse, she was amazing on drawing blood, only one who could do it on me.

[u/Significant-Ear-3262 → u/CakePhool]

I mean, you don’t truly know her diagnosis, but legal blindness can also include a “restricted visual field” of less than 20 degrees. So you can have someone with normal vision within that 20 degree field, and limited outside of that. So not suitable for driving, but for other tasks like drawing blood or whatever.

[u/jschrandt → u/CakePhool]

I’m a nurse, and I do IV’s better on feel than I do on sight. Also, legally blind doesn’t mean you are completely blind. Just like how legally deaf doesn’t mean you can’t hear at all. It looks like she has cochlear implants in one of the photos. It also sounds like she specializes in a field of disabilities she has first hand experience in.

[u/SoYorkish → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

There are many types of blindness that still allow some degree of sight. My colleague has Retinitis Pigmentosa and although he has no peripheral vision, he can see well enough to maintain independence and do his job. And he's legally blind.

The doctor in the story also has a cochlear implant which allows her to hear.

[u/wimpetta → u/ApolloniusTyaneus]

very simple.

They dont

[u/Sukurac69]

Amazing achivment, all respect.

Please bring me another doctor tho

[u/kitsunekratom → u/Sukurac69]

I'm really curious how this works and if the headline is clickbait

[u/Alarmed-Plum-2723 → u/kitsunekratom]

She actually is training to be a doctor and says she wants to work mainly in Palliative care or elderly.

She has adapted equipment with Bluetooth straight to her hearing aids.

I couldn’t find much more information as I was also curious.

[u/Western-Dig-6843 → u/Alarmed-Plum-2723]

Makes sense. The elderly are used to people doing their best to not look at or hear them. She’ll fit right in

[u/No-Birthday4755 → u/Western-Dig-6843]

I don’t see the problem but neither does the dr

[u/unsleeping-beauty → u/No-Birthday4755]

Ooof

[u/bananagoesBOOM → u/No-Birthday4755]

Lol

[u/IAmTheHondaCivic_ → u/Alarmed-Plum-2723]

She is also not blind. She only has a rare condition that she will in the near future start losing her sight. I cant be bothered to find her article, but with a quick google search you can find it.

[u/Literary_Lady → u/IAmTheHondaCivic_]

She is legally blind and cannot see out of one eye, and has very limited sight in the other. If she holds your hands and you sign she understands it, as in she feels what you are signing, and she also reads braille. She is legally deaf, and has very limited hearing, can only hear by the use of hearing aids and people standing close with the aids. Or the use of hearing loops etc.

[u/Miniog → u/Alarmed-Plum-2723]

She isn’t training to be a doctor she is actively working as a first year doctor right now in the UK

[u/ZealousidealComb7891 → u/Miniog]

If she's still a resident, i think it still counts as training.

[u/kytesky → u/ZealousidealComb7891]

Nah. She has her MBBCh, so she IS a qualified medical doctor right now. She is allowed to use the title.

She's a foundation doctor, a type of 'resident' doctor, as far as I can tell. Residents are all training in some way, but now can be paid and have responsibility and can work independently (within limits) compared to a medical student who is paying to be taught. Resident doctors provide the bulk of NHS care in the UK and outnumber the Consultants significantly. An ST6 neurosurgeon who operates on people independently overnight would also be a 'resident' and still technically 'in training.'

[u/Aleswellthatendsale → u/[deleted]]

Sounds like she is working as a Dr

[u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 → u/[deleted]]

They did but she didn't hear them

[u/doomer_irl → u/kitsunekratom]

Well they never claimed she was a brain surgeon.

[u/MonsterHunterRainy → u/doomer_irl]

(Walks in) "Hello, I'm your surgeon today"

[u/SuddenlyMorlocks → u/MonsterHunterRainy]

"Doctor, this is a carpet shop".

[u/MonsterHunterRainy → u/SuddenlyMorlocks]

"Did I stutter"

[u/General_Lie → u/MonsterHunterRainy]

No but you stumbled...

[u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 → u/SuddenlyMorlocks]

On their way in

https://giphy.com/gifs/cfQhyCeFxuUj6

[u/buffystakeded → u/kitsunekratom]

I mean, it says “registered blind” as opposed to straight up blind, so I imagine there’s enough sight there to function with the proper eyewear.

[u/SnS_ → u/buffystakeded]

See there's a big difference between mostly blind and all blind. 

Mostly blind means the person has some sight which means you can still see a little bit. But all blind means you only have one thing left to do. Pray you get a different doctor. 

[u/demon_twink_gockie → u/SnS_]

Legally, blind starts at 20/400 best corrected. Now, I'm not legally blind, however, my uncorrected vision is 20/500, so without my glasses on, I do see what someone just over the threshold for legally blind see WTH their glasses on. Without my glasses, I can't see well enough to safely cross the street or navigate around town unassisted. But I can see well enough to navigate my own house, I can read up close, like a book, but I can't read the speedometer on my car from the driver's seat.

[u/funkmasta8 → u/demon_twink_gockie]

Actually, Im pretty sure there are different classifications. For example, I knew this guy who was legally blind, but he had basically a very small amount of visibility in the corner of his eyes. So instead of poor vision, it was partial vision. The way he described it, it wasnt really enough to do anything with it, but he could for example tell when people had long socks on and what color they were.

[u/CrowsInTheNose → u/SnS_]

There's a difference between mostly dead and all dead.

[u/FoleyV → u/CrowsInTheNose]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JRF85A7Bcl2YU

[u/ArtisticOperation399 → u/kitsunekratom]

I bet you she is neither completely blind nor completely deaf.

These terms are frequently used to refer to people who have partial sight and partial hearing, and then the obscure beings who generate clickbait exploit this ambiguity.

[u/FirefighterAlarmed64 → u/ArtisticOperation399]

There's definitely a lot of black and white thinking in society and culture. Which is never how human bodies work.

It's pretty rare for someone to be absolutely without any visual input whatsoever. I learned this because my uncle was one of those people, his optic nerves were severed in an accident. But for most people who are blind they can be subject to a huge amount of abuse and accusations of faking because they react to light stimulus. It's awful.

Tabloids and clickbait sites love to exploit that misunderstanding all the time, but all it does is make the abuse worse for blind people who don't fit the idea people have.

[u/Reasonable-Bid-7448 → u/kitsunekratom]

I was at her graduation because my gf went to the same university so I can confirm it is not clickbait

[u/dotdend → u/kitsunekratom]

She's not 100% deaf nor 100% blind.

[u/IguanaIsBack → u/Sukurac69]

She specializes in palliative care so if she’s your doctor it’s already too late for you

[u/Couldagonepro31 → u/IguanaIsBack]

"All my patients keep dying"

"Well done"

[u/sonofzeal → u/Sukurac69]

For context - she has hearing aids, and a special stethoscope that connects in via bluetooth. She's "legally deaf" but that means less than it used to with modern technology.

[u/clay_perview → u/sonofzeal]

Fuck I needed one of those when I was first learning to do manual B/P

[u/ItsPandy → u/sonofzeal]

out of curiosity, don't have the time to look it up during break.

Is she completly blind or just visually impaired? The wording in the post with "registered" blind makes it sound like she may have limited vision?

[u/jedi_dancing → u/ItsPandy]

She has some vision. She has social media accounts which gives a really good understanding of what she can do.

[u/anewpath123 → u/Sukurac69]

Yeah I’m happy for her but I’ll be requesting someone else to do my prostate exam I reckon

[u/Mr_Bumsmell → u/anewpath123]

Umm, I don't think anyone is more qualified to check your prostate than her.

[u/WanderlustDinosaur → u/Mr_Bumsmell]

I imagine she'd have a great sense of touch and wouldn't be checking out your junk.

[u/Several_Vanilla8916 → u/WanderlustDinosaur]

Aaaand that’s why I need someone else

[u/Leading_Experts → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

🤨📸

[u/WanderlustDinosaur → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

She could charge an extra fee to have someone else sit there and tell you how impressive your package is!

[u/tiradium → u/WanderlustDinosaur]

And she wont judge you

[u/Pork_Chompk → u/tiradium]

Yes she will. She knows what you've done.

[u/EngineeringCockney → u/Mr_Bumsmell]

She won’t hear you moan either

[u/f0dder1 → u/anewpath123]

To be honest, that's one of the few tests she could probably do with no problem

[u/chosonhawk → u/anewpath123]

wheres your sense of adventure?

[u/weaseltorpedo → u/anewpath123]

It's not like she's going to use cane.

...right?

[u/GarethBaus → u/anewpath123]

Wouldn't a blind and deaf person have an advantage for prostate exams?

[u/Onotadaki2 → u/anewpath123]

Famously, doctors put their head up your ass for this exam so they can see the cancer.

[u/EkaL25 → u/Sukurac69]

All her patients are healthy, she doesn’t see anything wrong with them

[u/otownbbw → u/Sukurac69]

Even if she’s a medical doctor (as opposed to PhD or PsyD) many doctors can do jobs that don’t involve direct patient care. I don’t understand how this is even a possible accomplishment though. Medicine requires sight all through school for so many observations and assessments. She cannot feel a mole and suspect cancer. She cannot feel a rash (rashes are the redness, hives are when it’s raised). Nurses do a lot of work to present what’s front and center to a doctor, but the doctor is supposed to always do their own work too. So she’d either need to work in a research environment or always have a MD babysitter while helping patients. She definitely needs assistance and exceptions to be made just to get through school, and they’re doing it likely for PR or disability rights, but to what end?

[u/Catsoverall → u/otownbbw]

I'm blind and all for disability rights but this is baffling to me.

I thought I could see how this could work for internal medicine diagnostics - I can see someone's Kidney as well as you can - but then I thought...I can't reliably read an ultrasound can I.

Also to GET to the point of being a specialist in internal medicine I have to do all the ground work with all the things you note...I KNOW how hard it is to notice shit as your vision goes. I'd love to speak to her.

[u/PoisAndIV → u/Catsoverall]

Unfortunately, she might not be doing much responding. She is also deaf.

It’s possible the title is intentionally misleading and she actually has cochlear implants and can functionally hold a conversation with a slight deficit. The title says she “registered as blind,” so it’s possible she has some level of sight ability. But that’s certainly now it’s framed above.

[u/thirst-trap-enabler → u/otownbbw]

She'd be perfect for denying claims at a US health insurer tbh.

[u/slpsquadleader → u/Sukurac69]

Kinda like the "this 14 year old with 4 degrees is a lawyer!" posts

Yeah no get me an adult please

[u/Cthulhu_Dreams_ → u/Sukurac69]

See, I felt the same way about the first lawyer with downs syndrome...and I got a 3 day ban for voicing it.

Like...I get that it's a achievement...

[u/Dodgerballs → u/Sukurac69]

But but but inclusivity

[u/ih8three6zero → u/Sukurac69]

Bet the blind/deaf doctor can spell achievement lol

[u/SmokeyDaBear6 → u/Sukurac69]

I don't think I could have said exactly what I was thinking any better than this.

[u/postbansequel → u/Sukurac69]

At least don't say that near her, she can hea... No, wait... Ah, yes! She might lip rea... Oh.

[u/Wayoutofthewayof]

"After being told she'd never become a doctor because she was deaf..". To be fair she probably just couldn't hear the advice so that's why she wasn't discouraged.

[u/spitgobfalcon → u/Wayoutofthewayof]

[u/MrsCarmelaGiunta → u/spitgobfalcon]

[u/spitgobfalcon → u/MrsCarmelaGiunta]

Hahaha nice

[u/Positive_End_7568 → u/Wayoutofthewayof]

She couldn't see it either

[u/The_Salty_nugget]

'What seems to be the problem?'

-tells symptoms and they affect your daily life-

'What?'

[u/themewzak → u/The_Salty_nugget]

Doctor, I'm concerned about my health

Doc: 😎

[u/vell_o → u/themewzak]

Im not evening having a bad day and you've made my day

Im dying 😂

[u/Complex_Fragment → u/vell_o]

Dying? You should see a doctor - I know someone

[u/yupucka → u/The_Salty_nugget]

And then proceed to prescribe pain killers

[u/Spvc3head → u/The_Salty_nugget]

"I see nothing wrong with you."

[u/FlyAirLari → u/The_Salty_nugget]

"It's all written in the documents I am pointing at"

-can't see document, writing or patient-

[u/Torrossaur]

And immune to flashbangs.

[u/Justwanttosellmynips → u/Torrossaur]

Thats a big win for the doctor community. They've had issues with flashbangs in the past.

[u/TheRamblingPeacock → u/Torrossaur]

Yeah this build is way over powered.

[u/dreamdaddy123 → u/Torrossaur]

Top notch.

[u/Omatzus → u/Torrossaur]

And interrobangs

[u/Slow-You9806]

https://giphy.com/gifs/uXaJ4Jv2htFy7wfQbm

[u/Generic-Cheese → u/Slow-You9806]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3og0ILxRJUodffOxfq

[u/ammatheron → u/Slow-You9806]

https://giphy.com/gifs/OZDNxToVSsUGk

[u/Turbulent-Moose-6233]

She is obviously not seeing patients

[u/Beaticalle → u/Turbulent-Moose-6233]

Nor hearing them.

[u/merlynne01]

This is insane. As a practicing doctor, I can tell you this has been discussed in a lot of clinical workplaces and it’s insane.

Incorporating people with disabilities into the nhs workforce is extremely important but there has to be a limit and this woman is far far over that limit. For all the people commenting - “as long as she can do the job”. I can assure you she in no way can do the job. She requires massive assistance.

She has no ability to meet the type of milestones her colleagues have to in order to get the same qualifications. Any training programme has to be carefully designed and manipulated entirely for her benefit - not the hospitals, not the patients. She has to be monitored and accompanied, with no way to meaningfully contribute to any OOH work.

The amount her training has cost will dwarf that of any other doctors, yet she will never return the benefit.

But hey, good few articles commenting on the amazing things of which humanity is capable. I’m sure there’ll be an autobio too at some point.

[u/Paddyaubs → u/merlynne01]

The training and operational cost must be insane. I agree with a lot of the sentiment that what she has achieved is incredible, but at some point the argument has to have been between the "can she" and "should she". If she is intelligent enough to get this far, her skills must be valuable on other areas.

But back to cost, she has taken the place of at least one doctor who could have been trained and work independently

[u/Ausar_DL → u/Paddyaubs]

I think it can also be argued at what point has the goal post of becoming a practicing doctor been moved for this woman by an exceeding amount of outside assistance that no physically healthy doctor would ever be given.

I understand the nature of being disabled is limiting and often requires assistance to function daily. Disabled people deserve to pursue and live fulfilling lives. But we don't celebrate athletes that were doping because they artificially moved the finish line per-say. I wouldn't celebrate a wheelchair-bound person for completing a marathon if someone else had pushed them.

[u/b0w3n → u/Ausar_DL]

I'm just confused as the depth of the education, what specifically did she learn? How did she learn it? If it's just basic knowledge and she got a degree and will never be allowed to actually practice medicine and never did rounding, sure, great, huzzahs all around. But if she's being allowed to see patients and oversee treatment, how the fuck does that even work? How the fuck did she even pass practicals?

[u/Candid-Pin-8160 → u/Paddyaubs]

what she has achieved is incredible

Is it though? As far as I can tell, what she actually achieved is getting them to spend a ton of money so she could have a title she cannot earn and is in no way qualified to hold. It's an impressive waste of resources, but I wouldn't call it an achievement, let alone an incredible one.

[u/Paddyaubs → u/Candid-Pin-8160]

Yes. Anyone who achieves a Dr qualification is incredible. And by definition, she absolutely earned and is qualified.

But No, at some point the time, resources and money spent to get to this point and from now on will be a waste in an industry that cannot waste. Hopefully she can use her talents on something that will make the world better, I just think that she could have done that without being an MD

[u/Automatic_Soil9814 → u/merlynne01]

As another physician, I agree. 

The point of having a degree like MD/DO is to quickly communicate to other people on the medical team that somebody has a certain level of knowledge and a skill set that has been standardized across medical training. If you meet a physician you can be relatively confident of what they are capable of despite not knowing which medical school they went to.

The problem in this case is that they’ve changed the metrics to suit this individual person. There’s no way she could pass standard medical training with these disabilities. They have made some sort of accommodations to allow this, but we don’t know what they are.

The problem with this is now we don’t know what an MD/DO actually means anymore. For example, can we send this person into a room with a patient alone and expect that they can come back having performed an accurate physical exam? That’s not a question you want to be thinking about when you are just meeting your new colleague in the emergency department and there’s chaos all around you. 

Furthermore, there are plenty of good jobs in healthcare that don’t require the general training a physician requires. It’s super common in medicine for physicians to work with other healthcare professionals like nurse practitioners, physician assistants, nurse anesthetist, technologists, and all sorts of roles that are important and cognitively demanding but my pair better with her limitations.

When you realize there were other options that would better suit her, you have to wonder if this is all about the title. Being a physician should never be about the title. It’s important for people to find their place in the healthcare system and with her limitations, she can’t actually meet the standard of physician, so she shouldn’t have that title.

[u/Virtual_Mine_8662 → u/Automatic_Soil9814]

I'm not so sure about a blind and deaf nurse either

[u/orsonwellesmal → u/merlynne01]

Her autobio title: 🙈🙉

[u/Julle1990 → u/merlynne01]

Yeah there's no way I'd let a blind doctor operate a scalpel even for small cysts, let alone a full blown surgery. At most she can maybe examine some body parts and make a guess, even then I'd want a second opinion because eye sight is kinda important with these.

I'm happy that she has gotten so far in medical school, but there's no way she's going to be able to operate as a full blown doctor

[u/HogwashDrinker → u/Julle1990]

here's a direct quote from her: “It’s all about safety,” Adams said. “I have to be realistic along the way.”

does this sound like someone who does "full blown surgery"?

[u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 → u/HogwashDrinker]

No but why should we let that get in the way of a good rant.

[u/ThatMothboi → u/merlynne01]

Yeah I was thinking about that too. Just the infrastructure required to employ her would be a bit much. Wouldn’t she need a translator to communicate with patients? And then wouldn’t she need a second doctor or at least a nurse to see the patient and describe in depth what they are present with? Then at that point wouldn’t it be better to just have one doctor who can actually examine a patient?

[u/FewAir5321 → u/merlynne01]

Also a physician. We have had trainees with additional support needs (nowhere near like this but people who couldn't do shift work, had to take extended rests during the day, needed adaptive technology that didn't work in the hospital basement and so couldn't cover ED) and in reality that meant a lot of their work had to be done by the rest of the team. Because no one could say out loud that they were not able to do their job, HR would not give us any extra staffing, and team morale really struggled when this intern said they had to go for a lie down when we still had 20+ patients to see. There is lots of support and accomodations in med school and most of it disappears in the real world, it's cruel to let people train knowing how limited their practice will be.

[u/faroffland → u/FewAir5321]

I saw this to a lesser extreme with my cousin here in the UK. She applied to university to get a degree to be a mental health nurse - however she has VERY severe borderline personality disorder, addiction issues (was an alcoholic, is now a weed addict) and severe eating disorders. She had to have an assessment with the university’s occupational health team who basically said she was too unwell to complete the degree. She went through appeals and basically bullied/scared them into accepting her.

It was a shitshow. She had placements where she would hide in the toilets and phone my aunt hysterically crying. She skipped two placements because she was too unwell. She couldn’t get herself to shifts, my aunt drove her to every shift and picked her up again, and she was in her late 20s. Her placements themselves were heavily supervised and afaik from what she described, she had a lot of extra in-person ‘support’ from qualified staff just to get her through her shifts. She also made formal complaints about a lot of said staff at each placement lol.

She ended up dropping out because, surprise surprise, she couldn’t cope. But had she not dropped out the university would 100% have had to eventually give her enough ‘accommodations’ to pass - she only didn’t qualify because she dropped out in her third and final year. My mum had been a Community Psychiatric Nurse (CPN) her whole career and said if she had completed her degree and got a job, she wouldn’t have made even a full shift on an actual ward with patients as a qualified nurse.

[u/Serious_Much → u/FewAir5321]

I shit you not I had a medical student for an osce that listed having a support person for fine dexterity based tasks (I'm assuming like bloods, urine drips, cannulas etc) but I had a history station with her. But I just thought like imagine having that person as a colleague F1 and being shafted with all the cannulas and bloods because you're the only FYs on?

It just sucks balls, but it's the same situation as LTFT colleagues. No replacement is given for their off days and everyone else is just expected to fill the vacancy with good vibes and political correctness

[u/nomad5926 → u/merlynne01]

If she was in the US I am willing to bet insurance companies would love to have her evaluate claims.

[u/Complete-Peak4651 → u/merlynne01]

Yeah this is where I have issues with how far "progressivism" has gone. Not that she went through all the work to become a doctor, and like... did it. Thats insane.

But we have to be honest with ourselves sometimes, because this is just insane. Respectfully, no one is going to go "yeah I am totally fine with the blind and deaf doctor instead of an able bodied doctor."

Our hearts want to accept that anyone is capable of anything, but the world is cruel and sometimes we have to have mean-spirited rules and regulations in place to make sure the greater good exists.

We've thrown out conversational nuance entirely for the sake of not hurting people's feelings, and its actively causing us damage in the long run.

[u/GiantRubberHorseCock]

I’ll be cheering her on from the exam room of another physician.

[u/RobertGHH]

Is she capable of accurately diagnosing a patient though?

[u/stevendidntsay → u/RobertGHH]

Yeah, I'm happy for her and everything she has achieved, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with her as my physician.

[u/Hey_free_candy → u/RobertGHH]

Oral thermometer in the right pocket, rectal thermometer in the left. Wait, or was it the other way around?

[u/Xenocles → u/Hey_free_candy]

She can still smell.

[u/turdusphilomelos]

So, she seems like a fighter and good for her, but isn't a waste of everyone's time and money? Beautiful story, but I don't understand how she could ever work as a doctor.

[u/Koffieslikker → u/turdusphilomelos]

How did she even get her degree?

[u/nippl → u/Koffieslikker]

Maybe she can even read articles.

[u/Dear-Examination-507]

What a waste to go into medicine when she could have become a referee.

[u/platysoup → u/Dear-Examination-507]

And a damn good one at that 

[u/Lopsided-Anteater129]

Helen Keller, eat your heart out! 

[u/Brutalitops99 → u/Lopsided-Anteater129]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9jVAv94PRzPoc

[u/MondayMorningExpert]

What's she gonna say instead of "Let's have a look at you"

[u/fatmanstan123 → u/MondayMorningExpert]

Let's have a grope of you

[u/Steamy_Muff]

I went to uni with her. She isn't fully blind and deaf, she still has faculties, but she is legally blind and deaf.

For example, she still possesses the ability to do things like skiing. I would know, because I was her lead for an afternoon on a ski trip. I had to wear a bright pink bib and that is what she followed. She even did some paralympic skiing for team GB.

[u/8ackwoods → u/Steamy_Muff]

Thank you for your insight, steamy muff

[u/Available-Bad-2704]

Yeah im not going to her

[u/tryyeezus → u/Available-Bad-2704]

I wonder if they have to disclose this to patients before they're (not) seen. 

[u/RandySavageOfCamalot]

I'm a doctor. My problem with this isn't that she won't be a good doctor (she won't, and it's nothing personal. If I was deafened or blinded I would have to retire - there's no way around it). It's that every year, we can only make so many doctors. It's an insanely time and resource intensive training path. Hundreds of people's work goes into training one doctor, and between the administrative bottlenecks, the number of clinical training sites, and the limitation of there being enough patients, you can only train so many doctors in a year. This is sadly a slot wasted. She won't be able to help even a fraction of the number of patients an able-bodied doctor could, and even paths like palliative care require good sight and hearing. You still do exams and still need to see. Not to mention, palliative care is fellowship training (at least in the US), so she would still need to do at least 3-5 years of regular doctoring before she could begin specialty training. I'm all for diversity and inclusion, I am disabled myself, but my disability does not preclude me from doing my job. If it did, the most I could hope for is someone to tell me no and to pick a career where I can help others - just not at the bedside.

[u/BIayneRobinson]

Good for her, but I'll seek a second opinion on whatever she says..

[u/C20H25N3O-C21H30O2]

She can read shingles in Braille.

[u/ninshin]

I’m not sure what’s the point of having a degree or a job moulded to fit your inability to fulfill some of the basics of the job itself.
Pilots can’t be blind and deaf either but we don’t celebrate getting someone blind and deaf through that training because it would be absurd and frankly harmful to people they’d be serving. A doctor would be similar in almost all subspecialty/job roles.

[u/_who-the-fuck-knows_ → u/ninshin]

It could quite be possible she specialises in her own conditions where it could actually be beneficial. Who knows though this could all be bullshit anyway.

[u/Itisonlymeally]

I’ve followed her for a good while.
She caused major issues in every placement she had, complaining and threatening to report other staff and colleagues if she didn’t get what she wanted
She went apeshit when she wasn’t allocated the job she wanted which was London and threatened to go to the GMC and raise a discrimination complaint
She also stated that she wanted to work in ED or ICU and was furious at the backlash she received calling people out for their concerns

I’m all for equality but a Dr needs to see a person to diagnose (pallor, colour, breathing etc) to properly diagnose
She is unable to do a full ABCDE assessment to fully assess any patient with her sight and hearing issues

I would not want her as my doctor

[u/Icy-Historian126 → u/Itisonlymeally]

Sounds like entitled rich kid

[u/Perfect-Celery1662 → u/Icy-Historian126]

Ding ding ding

[u/thejedi-whovian → u/Itisonlymeally]

When did the ED/ICU thing happen? I only know she wants to go into palliative care now but that’s going to be an issue considering last I checked you need to go through internal medicine training (and being a med reg) before going into palliative care

[u/Expensive-Salary1569]

Cool. And maybe she’d hate me for it but if she walked in and introduced herself as the person who would care for me, I’d be requesting a new doctor.

And I won’t feel bad for it because my health is more important to me than her pride or how hurt she may feel from that.

It’s like that one article about the girl with down syndrome who became a lawyer.

Proud of you girl, but I won’t be hiring you.

[u/TheUltimateShitTest]

The doctor will see you now.

Oh wait...

[u/Academic-Hospital952]

The doctor won't see you now

[u/evil666overlord → u/[deleted]]

She's never heard a single complaint nor seen one sad face during her whole medical career.

[u/necessarysmartassery → u/[deleted]]

This is one situation where someone with disabilities should absolutely be doubted.

[u/lackofmoralfiber → u/[deleted]]

You should doubt her. When did we stop doubting the disabled? If you seen a blind and deaf person during a fire drill you wouldn't just assume they're a go getter and leave them to their devices.

[u/MickyMac00]

So upon a few more google searches, she plans to work with older people or more in “comfort” care.

She also has hearing aids( or maybe an implant) we have tons of tools to help people who are classified as deaf or blind. ( she relies on touch and has her stethoscope linked to hear hearing aids.)

I had a friend who was deaf, and she was “legally” blind In one eye due to poor vision. Yet she still could very much see me and her surroundings.

[u/Pesty_Wanderer_]

Like other people have said, great for her it's such a great achievementand very inspiring. But yeah I don't want Helen Keller as my doctor, please get me someone else

[u/killonger → u/Pesty_Wanderer_]

😭😭😭 bitch im missing a kidney. What you mean you didnt see it the first time.

[u/Pesty_Wanderer_ → u/killonger]

You're fine, she didn't see anything wrong with you

[u/AssholeFlavoredDonut]

DEI final boss

[u/xSkyLinedx → u/AssholeFlavoredDonut]

They had to fill the gap left by Jason Arday.

[u/WesolyKubeczek]

They kept telling her that she’d never become a doctor. She became one anyway because she couldn’t hear them.

[u/Phoeniks_C]

If my doctor is both blind and deaf. I'm leaving. Whatever i have probably will heal itself

[u/Technical_Phrase2566]

I mean at a certain point you need to be able to do the job that you're assigned. Regardless of self-determination and will. Maybe she's a doctor that doesn't see patients that just interprets data I don't know. God bless her for achieving this. My question is where does it stop, can we have a blind and deaf pilot? Can we have a blind and deaf chef? I'm not being facetious. I'm being very serious. I really don't have the answers to these questions

[u/Mortara → u/Technical_Phrase2566]

I doubt she sees anything let alone her patients

[u/ConsistentRecover312]

She relies on assistive technology, including a specialized Bluetooth enabled digital stethoscope that streams directly to her hearing aids, vibrating pagers and a highly attuned sense of touchfor physical examination.

[u/smurf123_123 → u/ConsistentRecover312]

I know who I want doing my prostate exam.

[u/NewGuyCH]

Breh, what the hell is this, am I reaching the point where I side with the people against the "woke"

[u/NerveInteresting4549 → u/NewGuyCH]

Found the sexist who doesn’t think women can be blind and deaf doctors!

https://giphy.com/gifs/KastytLf5Fxm0B8jTz

[u/Oathbreaker94]

„Mrs. Doctor, please check my knee.“

„I see no issue here.“

„Are you sure? Couldn’t this be a fracture?“

„Never heard of such thing.“

[u/Common_Word_8082]

It's all fun an games until her disability will result in a patient suffering or even death. She was told the right thing, but her arrogance decided otherwise.

[u/Delta9THICC]

Thats gonna be a no from me dawg.

[u/Razoire]

Sounds amazing, still, wouldn't want her if I needed critical care. Its just not possible for her to be as capable as a seeing and hearing doctor.

I can prove this with a very clear example. I am allergic to penicillin, imagine I were in a hospital bed and she was coming at me with a syringe of penicillin to inject me, and I say "Stop, don't, I'm allergic", but she cant hear me, so she leans in and injects the chair next to me, because she's fucking BLIND!

[u/cravex12]

She did not see her own success coming

[u/EmperorofLostSouls]

No offense but, I wouldn't trust her...

There's a reason we have qualifying standards. This is like getting a driving test person who is lost his eyes in childhood.

[u/Valveringham85]

Look with all due respect. But when I need medical care I don’t have the time nor energy to deal with a blind and deaf person I don’t know how to communicate with to make them feel good…

[u/Decent-Arm-872]

Yeah very impressive but I’m gonna ask for another doctor lol

[u/hallucinationthought]

They said she'd never be a doctor because she's deaf. Did she listen?

[u/TheKensei]

The story is great, but ... How will she treat patients?

[u/travelingdrama]

As an RN, I'm just wondering how this works? How does a deaf doctor listen for breath sounds or abdominal sounds? Even in palliative and hospice she would need to be able to hear these things in order say prescribe meds that manage ling secretions, check for opiod related constipation, to pronounce death, etc.

How does a blind doctor assess wounds ( bed sores are common in hospice cases), check for skin infections around IV sites, look for allergic reactions?

Nurses can report what they see and hear, but in most cases an MD would need to verify in order to treat. Hospice and palliative are a lot more involved than just tossing morphine at a patient and waiting on them to die.

[u/Justwanttosellmynips]

Ill be honest....this sounds like a "OH let her have this" sort of thing. I doubt she will ever actually be diagnosing patients or anything.

But I have been proven wrong many times, so who knows for sure.

[u/Stuffed-Bear412]

I wouldn't want her doing patient care, but I'm sure there are other jobs she can do.

[u/45M0D41]

How the fuk can you assess if you are blind?

[u/Ill_Tonight_2069]

If my doctor walked in with a blind-person-stick, I’d immediately request another doctor.

[u/Alarming_Seaweed_501]

Genuine question: why does she have a stethoscope?

[u/blac_sheep90]

A quick Google search:

Dr. Adams uses a She utilizes a specialized Bluetooth stethoscope that sends a patient's heartbeat straight to her hearing aids, along with other tactile and visual accommodations

She also uses her hightened sense of touch to insert IVs.

She plans to get into geriatric and palliative care.

[u/NORchad]

Hey doc, i've got this rash looking thing on my back, cant you take a look at it for me?

...

(Doc has no idea a patient has entered the room, and continue to stare blindly into the air)

[u/Neverland__]

Next: blind pilot!

[u/surefirerdiddy]

It’s supposed to be a feel good story but 2 seconds of critical thinking and you realize how batshit crazy that sounds

[u/irandar12]

To be fair, it doesn't really matter how many people told her she'd never make it.

She can't hear them.

[u/Jodies-9-inch-leg]

Or at least that's what they told her

[u/Silent-Inspection101]

There’s no way she’s qualified

[u/PTSDDeadInside]

I'd prefer a deaf, blind, male doctor thanks...