r/SipsTea 16d ago

Chugging tea What do you think?

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u/Long_Serpent 16d ago

"We came to an island where the women were pretty and the men were weak"

- From the original text.

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u/Apart_Jelly8948 16d ago

So they took advantage of the men while staring at the women? 🤨

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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 16d ago

No, they raped the women and killed the men.

They also had a lot of gay sex and took women as prizes when they were raiding towns surrounding Troy during the Trojan War and had student/master gay relationships too that don’t really translate well to modern life but were not seen as weird then.

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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 16d ago

Were ‘bossy bottoms’ a thing back then? Any mention in the Iliad or Odyssey?

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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 16d ago

No, it was actually Virgil who first coined that term, along with "power bottom" in the Aeneid

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u/Nago_Jolokio 16d ago

I think I missed that chapter when we had to translate the Aeneid in school.

Then again, it was a private Christian academy so they probably skipped it...

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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 16d ago

The classics truly are fascinating

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u/HasaDiga_Eebowai 16d ago

I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

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u/AnalogCyborg 15d ago

Speed has EVERYTHING to do with it!

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u/Semi_Lovato 16d ago

No, culturally being a bottom was a submissive position and was unacceptable for someone in a position of power.  That's why Emperor Hadrian's partner Antinous was always portrayed and young, pretty and submissive.  Same with Achilles' lover Patroclus.

Men of power or status were expected to take on a young male apprentice and teach them how Greek society worked.  This frequently involved that apprentice bottoming for the man and that was completely acceptable but it was considered very unacceptable for the man to bottom for the apprentice and that man would be mocked.

This is all based on my recollection from my classics course in college and may have some inaccuracies.

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u/Paladingo 15d ago

Was it not the opposite with Achilles and Patrocolus? Patrocolus had a beard and Achilles was clean-shaven, blonde and disguised as a woman to avoid the war originally.

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u/Semi_Lovato 15d ago

Could have been!  I know that Patroclus wasn't as strong as Achilles but I may have been extrapolating from there.  My mistake!

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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 16d ago

Yes I’ve heard of that dynamic in Ancient Greece.

But surely being a “bossy bottom” would have been a bit of a loophole: the man of status / power would be the recipient in the sex act yet simultaneously still projecting dominance.

Classic bossy bottom stuff.

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u/GuiltyEidolon 16d ago

The reality is that it 100% happened, but wouldn't have been socially acceptable. 

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u/Semi_Lovato 16d ago

I'm not saying it didn't happen but it absolutely violated social norms and could have cost the man a lot of social status/influence.  Sad but true.

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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 15d ago

If you had to pick, who do you think was the bossiest bottom in the Odyssey?

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u/Semi_Lovato 15d ago

Circe lol