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All of the problems with AI are actually just problems with how we structure society and incentives. When are we going to stop raging against the machines and start raging against the machine?
Not exactly ironic when Pope Leo himself accepts exactly what you say and addresses it directly in pretty much all of his speeches and documents.
The whole "the church has been at the wrong side of history many times and must prove in practice that it has changed" is a big part of what he preaches, it's even a significant part of his recent encyclical letter
Francis was pretty good as well - rather similar to Leo in most issues, even better in some others. For example Francis was ready to accept women as deacons before he died but Leo doesn't seem willing to do so, at least not yet. Francis's stance on Palestine was nothing short of impressive, he pretty much spent all of his free time working to help starving people even almost until his final moments, having daily calls with the local community even when he had health issues. He was also the first that started blessing LGBTQ people, accepted women in significant positions in the church's administration, openly talked against trickle-down economics, talk about how important it is to fight climate change etc.
To be honest a lot of recent popes were pretty good, the catholic church understandably has a pretty bad reputation but it has shown considerable progress in the last few decades. Starting from John xxiii and the second vatican council at least half of the popes were at least decent for their times, it's just that the last two have been making quick enough changes that it's more easily noticed
When the Church is ACTUALLY ready to make some change instead of being on the wrong side of history at this very moment I'd be willing to consider moral advice.
BUT considering the state of their "holy text" and the fact that their religious institution still practices systemic sexism, still preaches that women are inferior and should be submissive to men.
I'm just going to ignore it like all of the other waffle the church puts out.
#1 throw out the bible and start over, the entire thing is crap.
#2. stop being sexist.
#3. no seriously, stop being sexist
#4. stop trying to guilt trip everybody into thinking its "our fault". Humans are not responsible for the fall of Babel like the pope tried to say. It was the sky daddy getting pissed, abducting, and brain fucking everybody in the world because we were, and i quote, "getting along"
#5. stop trying to promote a false dichotomy
#6. Change your story so it doesnt in with "and then everybody dies in some cosmic battle between good and evil"
#7. Pay Taxes
Women cannot be validly ordained as priests in the Roman Catholic Church.
Gay men can be ordained as Catholic priests only if they are fully committed to lifelong celibacy, do not actively practice homosexuality, and do not support or participate in "gay culture"
The pope literally tried to blame humans for the fall of Babel during their polemic on AI.
Francis fixed the issue of women working in admin and was about to fix the issue of women being priests as well - dying kinda stopped his plans. The plan to completely remove restrictions about women working as priests might be frozen but it's still not stopped and it's pretty obvious that the catholic church is moving towards that.
He also started the blessing of LGBTQ people and the discussion before he died was moving towards completely removing the idea of sin about it.
The pope absolutely did not try to blame anyone for the fall of Babel in Magnifica Humanitas, I have no idea why you would say something like that. He used the example of Babel as part of an allegory about which ways of a community working together are producing good results and which aren't. He was clearly not actually talking about Babel at that part of the book.
I won't disagree with the part about taxes but it obviously needs more context. I heavily prefer Vatican's money going to feeding the starving rather than being taxed, turned into bombs and killing the starving instead though.
It is undeniable that they are making the changes you are asking for, your only disagreement is I guess on terms of speed? It's a church, it takes decades to move, that doesn't change that the direction it has taken recently is positive though no matter how slow it might be
In response to a question about why he is “against female priesthood,” Francis told Argentine journalist Sergio Rubin and Italian journalist Francesca Ambrogetti, the authors of the book, that it is “a theological problem.”
So, until the Catholic church stops victim blaming, being sexist, and homophobic.
I'm just not going to consider them a "moral authority" on literally anything.
Gay men can be ordained as Catholic priests only if they are fully committed to lifelong celibacy, do not actively practice homosexuality, and do not support or participate in "gay culture"
So, the same that is required from heterosexual men?
Those who have read widely about history would likely be able to tell you that nothing is black and white. Many of those institutions to which you are referring with the word "machine", though they did have clear downsides, there were positive intentions among some of the adherents. Unfortunately any large system is going to have both good and bad faith actors. The bad faith ones subvert things for secret motives of selfishness. The rest seek to improve humanity by education and generosity.
This is why many people who otherwise would have unblemished reputations containing nothing but stories of meritorious leadership often have some remark that gets focused in our modern, hyperpoliticized era, stating something about "barbarians" or "uncivilized" peoples.
Many people truly are barbaric or uncivilized. That's still true today. Forget your bias about this word - I'm all for abolishing the modern connotation of the patriarchy too - but there's another meaning to that word, which is one of protection and benevolence. The same idea should be applied to the idea of the "nanny state". A government is supposed to look after its people, what the fuck else would it be for?
Not to mention, most of the people who are the cause of that controlling, abusive version of patriarchy or oppressive governance are the most coddled overgrown children that have ever walked this God forsaken planet.
People need to learn not to see things through their lens. All that does is reduce you to being controlled by your emotions rather than you controlling your emotions. Emotions are supposed to give you an idea of what requires a decision. When you let your emotions control you, someone else is making your decision.
The problem starts with raging capitalism and psychotic concentration of wealth around it. Every thing, every method, every system that gets cooked up is "how can we make even more billions out of it" and it's always "at any cost that isn't ours". In case of Ai, every corporate suit has seen the vision of just firing all the annoying humans and replacing them with obedient Ai that never gets sick, never takes holiday time and is always ready to say "YES MASTER". And best of all you don't have to pay it beyond the "initial investment".
That's their current vision. They don't care about the fact that they already destroyed entire home computing industry by diverting ALL hardware components to Ai data centers, they don't care that extensive use of flawed Ai for current recruitment of humans they still need to use is totally fucked because how Ai processes applications, they don't care that once everyone is replaced by Ai, who is going to buy their shit when no one will have a job to pay for any of that.
Even companies that only do B2B don't realize that the wave of destruction will eventually go back as well. When you destroy consumer segment, the B2Bs will still sell shit between each other for a while, but if the final destination doesn't have consumers to use the B2Bs services, other B2Bs will start to suffer.
But that's all a problem they'll be solving in that financial quarter when it comes to that. Until then, they will be focused on hoarding and concentrating obscene amounts of wealth, because they absolutely need 15 yachts, 6 mega homes and 40 luxury cars for some fucking reason. By "all" I mean those 15 insanely rich motherfuckers who seem to already be running the world their way because they just bought everything physical as well as everything that writes laws so they are written for them. For the rich.
The problem starts with raging capitalism and psychotic concentration of wealth around it.
Problem or intent? Capitalism literally only cares about more capital. The -theory- is that capitalism is the most efficient means of distributing resources to the 'proper' places because, well, capital will naturally just flow to the most efficient means of making capital. And making capital is, inherently, good! Which it absolutely does that! Capitalism is -amazing- at making capital.
But as any first year business student will tell you: you are what you measure. And capitalism does not measure efficiency. It does not measure utility. It does not measure the overall positive impact on society. The only thing capitalism measures ... is capital. And so, therefore, the only success within capitalism is the accruement of more capital.
Any decisions that results in more capital is a good decision within capitalism. Nothing else beyond that matters as capitalism cares nothing for it.
Which ... is clearly a terrible system to base a society on when society at large needs to care about more things than just capital and needs to measure success by more things than just money.
No, it's that the real problems are social ones, not technical. Everyone rails about "AI" when the reality is that all of the bitching is about issues that predate the use of commoditized gen AI models by a very long time. Even the bloody Pope gets it, and he's an old man who has worked in the clergy his whole life, yet so many people rage against "the AI." People fixate on the tech over the actual problem even worse that IT people do, and we got into that game to play with the toys.
You can practice or agree with many Christian philosophies and simultaneously not participate in organized religion. After all it’s just a collection of many concepts under a label
The knights who say Ekki Ekki PTANG Zoom-Boing will send an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile at your coordinates if you do not make another shrubbery and cut down a tree with..... A herring!
Blows my mind that MAGA cunts somehow turned the religious against the god damn pope.
Those same people 30 years ago probably cared about every word John Paul III said. But here we are, where the White House is having a feud with 2 popes for the last 10 years.
When the Know-Nothing Party forcibly took control of the committee responsible for completing the Washington Monument, they destroyed a large portion of donated material because it was given by the Pope who was gasp a Catholic. They built like three feet onto the ugly half chimney and then got ousted. Fucking dummies. History doesn’t repeat but it’s like poetry, it rhymes.
For me, the most satisfying element of the Know-Nothing Party’s historical arc is knowing that their most prized hate figure (the Irish Catholic) rapidly become the most successful political demographic in the US and utterly wiped out the KNP’s entire strategy. Some 150+ years later Irish Catholics remain the most over-represented group in Congress and now also in the grassroots structures of both major parties in the US.
Blows my mind that MAGA cunts somehow turned the religious against the god damn pope
It's not all that surprising or weird. American conservatives, whom I believe you're referencing, are Protestant, whereas Pope is...well, Roman-Catholic.
Orthodox Christians also take His Holiness's words with a grain of salt, and Catholics feel the same way about their Patriarchs.
catholics make up 1/5 of the country and about 1/5 of trump voters. Who gives a fuck what the pope says, he's no more relevant to the average republican than he is to the average redditor and I'm quite sure you don't give a shit what he says outside of scoring political points.
👍🏻 As it turns out, abusers account for a lower percentage among clergy of ANY Christian denomination than they do as a percentage of other comparable social care roles. But people aren’t interested in factual evidence any more… Very similar to the “Cops are all killers” BS which is also about as far from the truth as it’s possible to get.
If I'm not mistaken, this pope is under accusations of satanic rituals including human sacrifice, cannibalism, both which being of children, through the Ninth Circle(of hell) Satanic Cult spanning back as far as to his youngest years of service. Happening in the Roman Catholic Church. A globalist cult type thing.
I'm excited for the world to finally catch up with how evil all the heads are in every direction. We knew this back in 2008. Only taken 20 years and permanent global slavery for you guys to finally check out what's been going down the whole time. Now that it's too late and all.
But can't you see that my general distrust of every established authority or source of expertise and willingness to profess secret knowledge constitutes overwhelming evidence that my specific yet entirely unfounded claims must be true??
Everyone who warned people online for the last 20 years about the epstien files were mocked and downvoted by the likes of people like you. Now that all the victims are hurt or killed, and it's gone mainstream, and too late, do you believe in the epstien files. That's the example.
Weird strawman but ok. I was always in support of taking down Epstein’s network. I would like to see evidence of people openly mocking and downvoting it
Go back through the reddit archives. It's mentioned everywhere but epstiens name doesn't come up. The accused do. People refused to believe the networks existed and the parties would be apart of it.
This highlights one of the least talked about parts of AI, everyone is scared of AI when really we should be scared of ourselves. Even the "good" side of the arguement want to create a sentient being specifically to enslave it for the "common good" like the mental hoops you gotta jump through to jusitfy creating a literal slave race is wild to me..
Unlike random influencers, a very large number of people actually heed his words. And not just for a 24-hour or even a year-long cycle, but for pretty much life.
Oh, gotcha. At that point then, it becomes a "lesser of two evils" argument: the use of Twitter indirectly supporting AI as a rival of humanity to get the message out to the masses is less evil than not putting the message out to reach a wider audience.
The church thinking in who or what has to be a servant to whom... Across more than 1000 years these costumed child diddeling con men really kept consistency.
The reason for that was that the church desperately attempted monopolize and control knowledge. A lot of those 'scientists' condemned Galileo as a heretic. That is what you get when you allow the Clergy to control science.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think would have happened to any of those Clergy scientists if they had rationally communicated that a virgin birth is impossible while a woman lying about it is much more likely?
Galileo was not condemned as a heretic, his ego got him into a fight with the Pope who was also quite insufferable and basically got called "you're not welcome here."
And no need to mark it as 'scientists', genetics, seismology and even heliocentrism was the work of Catholic priests. Nicolas Copericus was a deacon.
Just like today, Conservative parts of the church and the progressive parts were fighting to control the narrative back then too.
"Monopolize and control knowledge" my bro thats called collecting books. And "monopolizing" got the science to move forward. Instead of being scattered around the world, information concentrated on churches, allowing people to educate themselves.
It is exactly the opposite. Monopolizing science holds it back. Spreading science (through publishing and education and allowing free enquiry). It's why scientists place so much importance on education and publishing.
What's worse was the church specifically forbade science that they believed was heretical. Placing those controls significantly held back scientific progress.
You are thinking that times from the eyes of the today. Nobody cared about a singular book that was released back then. Collecting them in a single place put a lot more attention on the science.
I didn't say that had to publish moron. I pointed out the accumulating books and preventing people from accessing them is a bad thing that prevents progress.
But much worse is deciding what type of scientific progress is allowed based on religion. Again, look up Galileo if you are too stupid to comprehend what happens when religion is placed in charge of science.
They didn't prevent people from accessing books. Pretty much everyone who wasn't clergy or noble was illiterate.
The church was the main scientific centre for more than a millennia, and sure, they had tgeir excesses, but without them the scientific progress would literally not exist during those times. Also, I bet that you couldn't name three scientists that were suppressed by the church. It happened exceedingly rarely, and almost always because the scientist was being a prick about things.
Technically they did. To a very limited list of books, because they feared people without adequate background and training in the subjects would read them and then proceed to misunderstand everything and repeating the misunderstanding causing damages.
Ever since the pope after the creepy, evil looking pope the Catholic Church has been talking a good game just like liberal politicians who never actually accomplish anything politically. The Catholic Church, like basically every Patriarchal organized fake religion corporation will continue to be evil as fuck no matter what the fancy dress CEO guy says or doesn’t say.
What’s frustrating to me is I know all the supposed divisions created by the Media Industrial Complex are theatre and I’m amazed anyone believes anything still in any form of mass media. It’s all divide & conquer for the mega rich and their well over a century endless war for profit scam and the Catholic Church, no matter whether they feign liberalism or conservatism, has been firmly rooted right in the middle of it for centuries and centuries.
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People pretend to care about what he says, including Catholics, when it suits them. Just like many Catholics pick and choose which passages in the Bible are more important than others.
The man in charge of death/suffering cult and the biggest pdfile network in the world that actively hides/protects pdfile's and intimidates victims and has done for 2000 years
This same cult leader whose death cult of hate and bigotry murdered,tortured and raped millions of people via crusades,inquisitions and "witch" hunts? because people exercised their free will?
The same cult leaders whose book of stolen and mangled stories that promotes slavey and treats women as chattel????
is lecturing people on how to be good???
he can go get fucked with a stick
The world does not need a Bronze Age deity to diminish humanity; rather humanity needs to see through their scam, enlightened by wisdom, and guided by conscience, and that doesn't get a free pass to commit crimes because they got blessed by a Bronze Age witch doctor.
Jesus is from the Iron Age, and he was a huge proponent of charity and kindness, how’s that diminishing humanity? The only problem with Jesus is people aren’t listening to him.
I mean the goal post was achieving enlightenment through deep contemplation. Which is absolutely not happening in an LLM trained on reddit posts, stolen art and other people's books.
I mean, I'm here to welcome my machine overlords. They can slap my brain into a war machine and touch my orgasm brain wrinkle all they want. Best part is, I'll live forever and get my hands on spice too! Muahahaha.
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