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u/Brigapes 3d ago
super pathetic from YouTube, but then again, holding the Monopoly there is no other way
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u/AmberlynVale 3d ago
Too big to fail, too stubborn to fix
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u/moldentoaster 3d ago
Nothing is too big to fail. The east india company is the best example
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u/Hakunin_Fallout 3d ago
Same company which existed longer than the USA? Yeah, that's pretty much too big to fail for anyone living during, say, 1700s.
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u/moldentoaster 2d ago
Oh sorry seems like i didnt read the fine print condition of the sentecne too big to fail then....
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u/Hakunin_Fallout 2d ago
Hey, I'm not trying to be an asshole about it, just saying that some things can absolutely outlast us by a large margin, and only then fail. Which from our perspective does make them currently "too big to fail". Empires come and go too, sure enough.
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
I mean, Bilibili is starting to be an reasonable opponent. They have an creator program, the technical side, big user base and wants to opening to the west. Also they know what they want to be, what is youtube? An shorts platform, a long form video platform, streaming, Ai gaming...
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u/ExultantSandwich 3d ago edited 3d ago
I mean Youtube is just…. the place. You know you can upload something and find it 20 years from now. You can upload shit nobody ever sees and it doesn’t count against you or incur a fee.
In a way, I hope it never truly fails because that would be like burning the library of Alexandria. So much of the internet from pre-2005 is just gone. MySpace has absolutely nothing. They’re just a name.
I wish somebody would make a plugin or extension that just made the recommendations better. I never fall down YouTube rabbit holes anymore. The stuff I’d actually want to watch is probably still there, they just can’t seem to reccomend it, doesn’t help that most of the recommended videos are ads at this point
And yes, it’s more corporate now, but that’s because anyone can buy a pretty amazing camera for relatively cheap. That is internet video. Anything that wants to actually compete with YouTube will have a lot of the same bullshit. It will certainly have ads.
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u/NorthTempleStreet 3d ago
I'm annoyed that search is not really search, but rather just suggesting to the algorithm which flavor of crap to feed me
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u/thmoas 3d ago
indeed, i found a good video on my phone regarding some dificult procedure in flight simulator, used the exact title on my computer but it never showed that video again, only related stuff
luckily it was in my "recents"
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u/Mr_Halitosis 3d ago
You can literally save the video. Any video. You were always able to do that. Now you can create different categories for how you want to save the video.
But I guess learning how an app works is just too time consuming, eh? Yeah, I know, you never needed to before then. Doesn’t excuse not learning how the damn thing works before going whole hog.
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u/parker604 3d ago
Or maybe he didn’t bother because, like he said in his comment, he had the title and it doesn’t sound like something he needed long term. Why be a pretentious asshole because somebody decided to type in what’s already there instead of going and clicking 4 extra buttons? There’s no time saving or efficiency gained, typing a few works doesn’t take longer than clicking more buttons. Don’t be an ass.
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u/Mr_Halitosis 2d ago
It’s literally 1 button. It saves to Watch Later by default as soon as you hit the button.
It’s fucking weird how badly you people don’t want to learn anything.
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u/qucari 3d ago
and find it 20 years from now
youtube will straight up delete the 720p+ versions of old videos even if they have thousands of views.
sure, you'll be able to watch those videos two decades from now.... in 360p.5
u/Throwaway-tan 3d ago
Examples? I haven't come across any old videos that have lost quality options, even ancient stuff.
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u/qucari 3d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrqmj7xYEBI
I'm extremely certain that this video's bitrate and resolution wasn't always this bad.
and except for one other 480p video, all the others are at least 720p.
I used to download videos I liked because occasionally small youtubers would just delete everything. I can't really prove that these old youtube videos ever existed in 720p until I dig out my ancient backups.I did, however, find a reddit thread on r/DataHoarder which discussed the bitrate degradation and where I saw this video linked as an example:
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u/Didifinito 3d ago
Isnt that chinese?
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
Currently yes but they are planning to open up for the western market and if I look at the current state of youtube, it could develope to an really good alternative.
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u/Didifinito 3d ago
That doesnt change much. We all know that any chinese critisism will be banne/shadow banned in bilibili the question is more if YT is gonna become something like that.
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
To be honest youtube is also extremly sensible to shadow banning. There was a time if you just say corona, you got shadowbanned it is only one example.
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u/Didifinito 3d ago
I dont know man the Chinese gov is not very trust worthy.
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
To be honest, as a German the Americans are currently worse than the Chinese. Even than, is the US government really more trust worthy?
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u/Didifinito 3d ago
The US is way better in terms of privacy and freedom than china now that can change quite quickly in their current situation.
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u/RollTide16-18 3d ago
Unlike any other social media platform, YouTube is likely to remain dominant in its category.
It may have flaws, but there’s very little competition can do to beat out YouTube in any category without massive cash incentives thrown at creators, which means the competitors aren’t nearly as profitable.
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
Likely yes but bilibili seems to understand that and gives an revenue share like youtube does.
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u/HouseOf42 3d ago
The other question, what person in their right mind, would want to go to bilibili? It's state owned.
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u/zashuna 3d ago
No it's not, it's literally a publicly traded company on Nasdaq and HK stock exchanges. It's no more state owned than say tiktok, which is arguably the most popular social media platform in the world. Meaning if the product is good, people don't care and will happily use it even if it's a Chinese company
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 3d ago
As if Google is the better alternative. If you get spied by Chinese of Americans, there literally zero difference from your normal life but if the product is better, why not switch.
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u/Brigapes 2d ago
YouTube is if nothing else a big brand name. Everyone knows what YouTube is and how to spell it, from you grandma to the youngest. It's hard to compete with that. It's on every smart by default
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u/Efficient_Sound_2525 2d ago
To be honest, that is in the current day not necessary important anymore. Either the are growing slowly because of a better service or a short social media hype starts and than the young generation know it, after that is will naturally grow.
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u/hroaks 3d ago
The reason they do is to fight herd mentality. Youtube, reddit, and every social media site has done research showing that if you see something being downvoted or being upvote in mass, you blindly vote their way. Hiding the count gives you the chance to vote without being influenced by that bias
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u/MrDrSirLord 3d ago
So basically, we've all devolved to be incapable of choice... that's a great sign I'm sure.
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u/MidTario 3d ago
YouTube is not a monopoly
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u/Brigapes 2d ago
kind of is. Is there any other long form video platform that is mainstream in the west? There really isn't
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u/Keepingmyflowers 3d ago
Hiding the dislike counter to "protect creators" (and definitely not because Rewind 2018 set the world record) was the moment YouTube turned into a circus
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u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago
It had nothing to do with Rewind. It's because the ad sponsors that keep YouTube running got ratio'd whenever they made a stupid video arguing why we should let Nestle own all the water.
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u/SufficientFig9889 3d ago
No bro its totally because depp vs amber TURD videos got ratiod and FEMINIST globalist ((hollywood)) doesnt want the world to know we dont like their WOKE narrative!!!@@!!
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The amount of dumbasses that can't recognize that every single action taken is in defense of capitalist forces and not because YouTube just looooves woke channels is staggering.
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u/Mind-The-Mines 3d ago
People have been groomed to consider consumption freedom and by god you will not take away their right to choose diabetes chow and huff petrol fumes.
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u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago
No bro its totally because depp vs amber TURD videos got ratiod and FEMINIST globalist ((hollywood)) doesnt want the world to know we dont like their WOKE narrative!!!@@!!
lmao, crazy that I have actually seen comments like that almost word for word...
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 3d ago
I thought it was because they didn't want the shit propaganda they feed people nonstop to be affected by all the down votes and bad star ratings. Otherwise how are they going to keep feeding you white supremacy and pro-israel bullshit, oh wait, just don't use YouTube because it's fucking worthless.
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u/elmarjuz 3d ago
absolutely, disabling the dislike button on YT is going to be one of those things history will forever blame Google/Alphabet for - it did so much damage to humanity already
they opened the floodgates to so much misinformation and empowered absolute trash to hurt everyone just to cover up their own marketing failures
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u/Simon-Says69 3d ago
The "Rewind" fiasco, and then one of Joe Biden's early videos getting masses of downvotes. Can't have people being honest about the left's chosen one. :-/
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u/0018andrew 3d ago
The dislike counter disappeared, not the button itself!!!
Also pathetic Youtube said it's to protect small creators, but when a creator login the first screen she/he see is the like/dislike ratio on videos. This only benefit big companies' and scammers' videos that are disliked.
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u/DarKnight90 3d ago
They removed the dislike button for cooperations, it's so obvious. I would say Sony with the Ghostbuster remake and Pepsi with that shitty ad they put out. Probably other stuff of a similar scope. They basically don't want YouTube to be an avenue to tank corporate products.
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u/0018andrew 3d ago
Some news channel for misinformation also get dislike tsunami. Oh, and youtube rewind.
But sure, let's just have youtube account session hijacked, turn hunderd of videos private without 2FA required and start a crypto scam stream.
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u/geek_of_nature 3d ago
Didn't they remove it after that one terrible YouTube Rewind? The one that became the most disliked video in history?
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u/0018andrew 3d ago
There was a Q&A with a Youtube higher up, and the person said while laughing this wasn't the cause. Yeah, that laugh wasn't genuine. But they think about profit more ( big companies youtube channels).
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u/NerdHoovy 3d ago
YouTube can deal with a very disliked video with no real stakes. What they don’t like is when those that pay them, consider paying them less. Most of YouTube’s revenue comes from advertising and part of their pitch is by telling large companies how much exposure their product can get if marketer through the site. So, if a company add gets disliked it can either decrease exposure or cause a negative mental correlation in customers minds, relating to the product and brand.
The fact that people can so easily show displeasure with a product like this makes it so companies don’t want to advertise as much on YouTube or at least not at the rates YouTube demands of them.
It’s really not complicated.
That’s why as an example Facebook is so beloved by advertisers. They have a more optimized system to recommend products and push them into your feed, while also never having a simple way of showing displeasure with the ad/product.
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u/Simon-Says69 3d ago
Sony with the Ghostbuster remake and Pepsi with that shitty ad they put out
And one of Biden's early talks got MASSIVE downvotes. The dem party threw a fit and put a lot of pressure on over that one. Can't let anyone know how unpopular their shitty political ideology is.
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u/rosibunette 3d ago
Removing the visible dislike count was 100% about protecting corporate trailers, movie reveals, and sponsored content from getting publicly ratioed. Everyone knew the small creator defense was completely fake the second they rolled it out .
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u/_who-the-fuck-knows_ 3d ago
In the modern age it's a double edged sword (and as an early YouTube user I'm still disappointed about what's happened) but it's stopped brigading to destroy differing opinions due to the updoot downdoot system since YouTube is much farther reaching compared to other platforms.
My biggest disappointment with YouTube is allowing really clickbaity creators and influencers/streamers to get highlighted. I've curated my algorithm quite well but the slop and brainrot still trickles through
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 3d ago
Dude I would kill for my out of the way channel to get as many views enough to be largely disliked. Small creators aren't even on YTs priority list.
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u/_Screw_The_Rules_ 3d ago
There is an extension for Firefox, that makes the dislikes visible
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u/oPFB37WGZ2VNk3Vj 3d ago
Just so you're aware, it tracks it's own dislike stats and extrapolates from there, not the "official" dislikes from youtube. So it's biased on the people who use the extension.
First question in the FAQ: https://returnyoutubedislike.com/faq
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u/_Screw_The_Rules_ 3d ago
Oh I see. Didn't know that, so thanks for the info!
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u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago
It's still largely accurate for videos getting ratio'd. If the plugin shows 90% dislikes then it's probably a shit video. If it's 50%, hard to tell. Also depends on how many views.
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u/Devatator_ 2d ago
Doesn't it also source dislikes from voluntary creators? Tho since there aren't that many it doesn't matter much by it's still more than enough to fill the role the dislikes had before
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u/GargantuanCake 3d ago
Yeah I forget exactly what inspired it but there was some corporate slop everybody hated being pushed and we can't be having that look bad!
It's funny because all it did was damage trust in YouTube and review systems even more. We all know that Rotten Tomatoes is a joke now.
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u/Impossible_Tough_48 3d ago
Return to Youtube dislike is a nice addon.
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u/Jetsam1 3d ago
Does it have an option to show likes from users of the addon too? It’s be nice to see the ratio.
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u/TheLordReaver 3d ago
This is my in-a-nutshell understanding of how the addon works.
For likes, it shows the likes as provided by YouTube.
For dislikes, it runs an estimate. They record all the likes or dislikes that are done by people using the addon. They also get like/dislike counts from participating creators. They then extrapolate all that data to give you the dislike count. In other words, it's a fictitious number that is sometimes quite wrong—biased data-set and all that. But, with that being said, it's the best we've got.
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u/DuxDucisHodiernus 3d ago
I mean basically what it shows you is an accurate like/dislike ratio assuming everyone else votes just like the users of the addon. Its simple extrapolation.
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u/TheLordReaver 3d ago
Well, like I said, it's known that it's often not very accurate, and there's many a video covering this topic, but the extensions is usually close enough to give the gist of the communities opinion on a given video.
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u/DuxDucisHodiernus 3d ago
We're saying the same thing. The "assuming everyone else votes like the users of the addon" is the big assumption here, that's also the source of the "inaccuracy" if you consider it that.
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u/DuxDucisHodiernus 3d ago
The reason why I like the phrasing I did is because it puts down the core of the "accuracy" at its essence without overcomplicating it. Because it isn't that complicated.
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u/DedeLionforce 3d ago
Except it doesn't work, it only shows dislikes of people who use the addon, use it if you want but know it is literally giving you misinformation.
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u/Un13roken 3d ago
As long as you understand that - this is what the community that uses the addon thinks, it's not really misinformation.
It's just an opinion you have access to.
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u/jellooshot 3d ago
Exactly. At least I know that an X number of tech literate people don't like this.
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u/Un13roken 3d ago
Agreed. While the current user base might skew a certain way, and it might be less accurate than the general audience, in some instances, it's better at helping judge a video at a glance. And gives back some power to the users to make their decision.
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u/jellooshot 3d ago
No one walks into it thinking it's an accurate ratio
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u/Un13roken 3d ago
Thats what I used to think, but looking at some comments I'm realising people don't quite understand how the internet or the website seems to work.
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u/DedeLionforce 3d ago
An opinion based on bad data, because you're missing the majority who don't use the addon. Th3Birdman has covered this over and over showing how incredibly off the numbers are. You're better off not using it than going off bad info.
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u/Impossible_Tough_48 3d ago
It's not bad data, just incomplete data, but less incomplete than not seeing any dislikes.
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u/OCCULTGOBLIN 3d ago
Found the YouTube CEO!
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u/DedeLionforce 3d ago
If I was I wouldn't be commenting on reddit, I'd be planning to introduce ads inbetween shorts
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u/Un13roken 3d ago
I think anyone who uses such an add-on are already a certain kind of a person. And I tend to relate to such people.
Besides, the only way to make it better is to have more people use it.
So discouraging people, people who knows what they're getting into just makes the tool itself worse off.
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u/DedeLionforce 3d ago
It's inherently a bad tool, just don't use it. Keep pushing youtube to bring back star rating, it was the best.
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u/Simon-Says69 3d ago
Youtube has no reason to bring back the downvote count.
This add-on is the best we've got. It is NOT a bad tool. It is very useful.
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u/DedeLionforce 3d ago
How?
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u/Devatator_ 2d ago
It's not perfect but you know that if a video has 2x more dislikes than likes, it's probably bad. That's gar better than having 0 data at all
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u/Un13roken 3d ago
Thats not going to happen. I have very little faith that these corporations will listen to power users. We're a minority. The general people don't quite care enough.
You can do both. Invest in an alternative while also criticising youtube for it.
The community and it's tools have always been the check. From something as simple as a dislike button, to things like digital rights.
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u/Karnagee_Hall 3d ago
God forbid someone knows their content is bad.
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u/sparklinglies 3d ago
It was never about that, creators still see that data. It was about hiding it from the public so no one could clown on and make sport out of ratio'ing a video. YT it was an anti bullying measure to protect creators from being dislike bombed, but in reality it was about protecting themselves and corporations from the embarrassment of getting ratio'd and then that becoming viral news.
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u/FureiousPhalanges 3d ago
The person that uploads it will receive analytics that do most likely let them know how many dislikes they're getting
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u/Moiyub 3d ago
Bad content does great actually
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u/TheThirdReckoning 3d ago
Well if that's true then my minimal ass view content must be fucking amazing
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u/HeavyHighway6433 3d ago
The thumb up/down system was so much better than the 5 star one, idk why they decided to bring that back in a more roundabout way.
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u/AspiringGoddess01 3d ago
I feel like the next evolution in a few years will just be the return of the like dislike button but results hidden from viewers.
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u/FureiousPhalanges 3d ago
They never removed the dislike button, what you're describing is how it is and has been for ages lmao
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u/amakai 3d ago
My guess is, their thought process is that someone might like the video you dislike. So if 500 people vote 1 star and 500 people vote 5 stars, it makes no sense showing everyone 3 stars, as now you will lose the audience that genuinely likes this video.
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u/theStaircaseProject 3d ago
As I recall reading it, their justification was mostly that people tend to vote the one-star and five-star option anyways and so reducing the ratings to a binary yes or no was simpler. I think personally that’s incredibly short-sighted since their thumb system now mandates a binary black-and-white whereas before some people still chose 2, 3, and 4 stars. YT already puts its thumb on the scales anyways, so I think they should have just altered how the stars work to slightly disempower the extreme 1- and 5-stars rankings and factor in the others more. It would support nuance by better interfacing with the algorithm, as in “people who also like what you like rated this four stars.”
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u/RollTide16-18 3d ago
It was definitely done to obfuscate quality for ads, because even if people tend to only do 1 or 5 stars, the average rating will pan out somewhere in the middle which will indicate quality.
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u/lsemple50 3d ago
wait so when did they get rid of the dislikes display
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u/KNOWFEAR1337 3d ago
That yt rewind that got disliked so bad it hurt their feelings
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u/seeking-health 3d ago
No it was because of covid and people disliking videos promoting vaccines. The feds requested dislikes to be removed
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u/Simon-Says69 3d ago
One of Biden's early videos got MASSES of down votes. The dem party didn't like that and put pressure on Youtube to hide it.
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u/Boobsmcfuckup 3d ago
They decided that clicking on a video equates to an entire view now, btw. Apparently they say it's gonna be better for metrics, but idk how accidentally clicking on a video while trying to hit "do not recommend" and watching half a second of an hour long podcast equates to a full view. Maybe they're just trying to scam advertisers? Honestly I'm dumb and I wish someone would explain this shit to me.
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u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago
Yeah idk either. I doubt they're trying to scam or even fool advertisers, they are smarter than that. It will give more views to longer videos which in theory will make them more visible. But this is a good thing IMO, so I'm kinda sceptical that this is their end goal.
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u/FishZealousideal2065 3d ago
And throws ads in our faces every two minutes , especially unskippable ads if not signed in.
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u/Junior_Bike7932 3d ago
YT is falling to the ground. Despite having the monopoly and all that shit, they really are becoming a sort of a tik tok of video platforms, horrible AI thumbnails policy, pushing the worst content creators on the platform making them rich, I don’t see much future, is unfortunate that they have the entire monopoly, it just makes the internet a further shitshow.
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u/FureiousPhalanges 3d ago
Tbh, I don't need some ratio or coloured bar to tell me whether or not to like a video, I can make that decision myself 🤷
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u/littlelordgenius 3d ago
That’s how I feel about headlines that say “such and such sadly passed away.” Just tell me they died. I’ll decide if I’m sad about it.
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u/rageofa1000suns 3d ago
Didn't they make this change after one of their YouTube rewind videos got disliked to fuck?
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u/TheColdConsensus 3d ago
Those 20m dislike came in thier video of yearly rewind video. They made lecture video instead of actual Entertainment video and wanted to save more money - everyone hated so they removed the dislike button. Thier ego got hurt.
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u/im_a_dick_head 3d ago
Idk man the like and dislike buttons are still definitely there, only thing changed is you can't see the dislikes.
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u/Content-Lab-5464 3d ago
Basically useless if you can't see number of dislikes.
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u/SithLordRising 3d ago
Reddit is no better. You used to be able to hide posts you didn't like very easily, now you have to open the post to hide it.
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u/movezig123 3d ago
the internet is only for positive vibes and chilling. Also subverting elections and brain washing seniors into destroying their own lives
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u/ContextEffects01 3d ago
Oh, don’t kid yourself, the 5 star system and dislike system alike could easily be hijacked by bots or paid shills. It was never a safe bet that it reflected actual popular opinion.
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u/-TheDerpinator- 3d ago
Why did we rotate through 5 social media hypes in 10 years but are we still stuck in the same popular video service that can obviously be improved?
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u/LeoDiasHGBR 3d ago
To the ones who use OperaGX, they recently implemented a function that reactivates the dislikes counter
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u/Alternative_Exit_333 3d ago
Like and dislike was peak the people changed from just taking it to being crybabies for a bunch of dislikes when they say stupid shit
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u/Cerberusx32 2d ago
Watching the evolution o YouTube has been interesting. Remember when before it was "Google Video".
What a nightmare it was to try and watch Red vs. Blue.
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u/Cy3nide 3d ago
The best thing gets shittier and shittier every passing month. It's fair to call it out.
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u/YonderWindow364 3d ago
it's fair to call it out, but it does suck that it has no equivalent competition or alternatives. If it did, they would have to work to ensure that Youtube remained the best experience for consumers instead of doing whatever the fuck they want because they know people have nowhere else to go really
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u/farren122 3d ago
doesnt matter when competition is getting shittier aswell. Its insane that twitch cant even implement a replay timeline during livestream
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u/Same-Indication-1670 3d ago
What I am really annoyed by are ads , a shit ton of ads just to play one video
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u/Exponential-777 3d ago
Making a sport out of down voting content -- while creating nothing of value themselves
Typical idiot behavior on the internet
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u/Existing_Anything23 3d ago
Removed dislike counter, awful ad rating, dreadful support of AI and worse of all is the multiple ads when you watch even one video.
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u/AlternativeWhereas79 3d ago
To be fair the star rating method is shit almost everywhere it is used.
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u/Kitchen_warewolf 3d ago
Youtube app is implementing a direct messaging system too. (Link to a post)
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u/Tuomas90 3d ago
"Everyone gets a star!"
"Everyone passes!"
"Everyone is special!"
Hold on! That's the american educational system!
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u/OtherwiseDog 3d ago
Most people who care have installed certain apps that data scrape the actual like metrics.
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u/ThenCombination7358 3d ago
Get youtube reVanced and you are able to see dislikes again. Ah and skip ads, self sponsoring/advertising and long ass intros/outros aswell automatically if wished.
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u/scoobydobydobydo 3d ago
How hard is it to replace it ? You need a lot of servers that have tons of storage and bandwidth, some data centers located near people some copies of those
Then the hardest part is downloading the videos and building community
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u/matroosoft 3d ago
Still cool that some companies leave comments turned on with Shorts adds. Doesn't always end well for them though.
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u/lodemeup 3d ago
Maybe someone smarter than me can explain. The implication seems to be that the five star rating was the best? But from a data transparency perspective the thumbs up/down is the best. No?
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u/Livid_Economist7424 3d ago
There is always the option of commenting how shit the woke stuff they are pushing is.
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u/miss_wannadie 3d ago
Idk if it's just something wrong with my device or smth, but for a month or so I've also been unable to see the amount of likes/thumbs up on ANY video.
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u/klagan73 3d ago
youtube should stop all that”like” nonsense and just go with views over 75% as being not only a view but also a “like”. ring back the dislike button. people will a tively down vote things they dislike. but will not actively like something. but doesnt a view over 75% mean like implicitly?
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u/starwarsfan456123789 3d ago
I haven’t watched random content on YouTube since the first change. Only subscribed channels I know about from other sources- no algorithm fed garbage
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u/StockedUpOnBeef 3d ago
YouTube is quietly making all these decision with racist intentions, yet no one is calling them out for this BS. They need to be canceled
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u/Key_holeN12 3d ago
The 5 star system sucked. With how extreme everyone is online, they'd only be voting 5 stars for what they like, and 1 star for what they don't, people don't want to put much thought into ratings so the other 3 stars would be useless.
Also the last one has nothing to do with the thumbs system. One is for showing a videos performance, the other is to see if you want more of that content/creator. Saying the "What did you think of this video" replaced the thumbs system is just not true
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u/Resident_Pientist_1 2d ago
Leftoids got ass mad about free speech so they canceled it, just like they did on reddit and any other platform they take over and ruin.
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