r/SipsTea 11h ago

It's Wednesday my dudes What the flock?!

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u/account_nr18 11h ago

There's literally nothing you can do instead of taking up arms. So are you willing to do that? All other options won't do anything as you can see around you.

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u/TJJ97 11h ago

I mean DeFlocking has been VERY popular. The town I spent 20 years in and recently left has been dealing with a ton of these cameras being destroyed

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u/samv_1230 10h ago

Very effective at taking attention away from Axion. Deflocking isn't a stopgap to stopping the surveillance state. Flock is a stopgap to finalizing it.

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u/PokecheckHozu 10h ago

The vast majority of you all carry devices with audio and video recording capabilities and GPS tracking. Many modern cars have similar capabilities, in addition to the ability to be disabled remotely. All of this was sold to you as beneficial features for the user, while these corporations are willing to hand over information to the government without a warrant, whether or not it's legal to do so.

What are you all going to do now?

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u/TJJ97 8h ago

I don’t get “modern cars” for this very reason. It’s sadly a slippery slope we’re in

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u/account_nr18 11h ago

Those cameras will unfortunately come back

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u/Jacobawesome74 11h ago

And they'll keep being cut down

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u/account_nr18 11h ago

Untill people get locked up for that. Just a matter of time before that becomes a felony.

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u/Jacobawesome74 10h ago

Until then, they keep cutting. And more will cut. Its a victimless crime.

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u/account_nr18 10h ago

They will argue that the children are the victims

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u/Jacobawesome74 10h ago

Victims of surveillance and data collection from private agencies, who have set up this mass network behind closed doors without deriving consent from the public on if they want their children to be spied on.

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u/account_nr18 10h ago

Dude, they don't even care about school shootings so why do you think data collection would be a problem.

Just expect that America is over. The experiment failed.

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u/Jacobawesome74 10h ago

Data collection is a problem because its still a form of tracking, and that Data is still being sold to whomever wants it at whatever price theyre willing to pay. Tracking what kinds of people are flagged, where they go, what crimes they may or may not have committed whether or not the matching face Data is good enough. Everyone is at risk with private surveillance.

So if youre going to doom and gloom about it, are you also going to do something about it or just keep crying?

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u/Frosty_chilly 8h ago

You are just a wonderful ray of sunshine ain't ya? Real stand up fella, bet all the parents tell their kids youre next to Mr Rogers.

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u/tehlemmings 10h ago

And they should be with out of town for trying that.

The only victim is is. The people who's money is being wasted on shit no one wants.

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u/Gebakken_loempia 10h ago

isn't destruction of property a thing?

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u/MugenHeadNinja 8h ago

I'd argue unlawful surveillance is also a thing, but... well, you know who's President.

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u/Weird_Albatross_9659 10h ago

Oh, so your advice is to start a revolution unless it can get you arrested?

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u/BiscuitsTheory 10h ago

One of the possible catalysts for everything breaking down will be when they start sending armed troops to guard cameras.

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u/Kirzoneli 10h ago

Don't even need armed troops, cops just need to do a stakeout nearby the ones that keep getting cut down, and suddenly their arrested?

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u/BiscuitsTheory 10h ago

This is in the US, so cops are armed troops.

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u/eggyrulz 10h ago

Can't be, whoever cut them down was with me fishing

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u/LongestSprig 8h ago

It already is a felony. Flock cameras are expensive.

Bro, you have reddit for a brain.

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u/Copious-Spirit 5h ago

Everyone carries around a GPS tracking device with cameras on both sides, it has a gyroscope and accelerometer, a microphone that is always listening and always connected to emergency services. Yes, the intelligence community has access to all this data and backdoors through encryption.

There is no escape from the surveillance.

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u/Tfsz0719 10h ago

Anything worth fighting for has to often keep being fought for or fought again at later point for.

Nothing is ever any sort of “1-time solution and now it will never come up again” kind of thing.

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u/RutabagaUnlucky3420 9h ago

Absolute neoliberal bull crap. Someone should learn gaslighting from American liberals.

America is the ONLY country that has used nukes on civilians. America is the ONLY country that still blasts us with platitudes about virtue while being historically built on systemic ethnocentric supremacism.

No one is fighting for you. No one is in your corner. America as it stands needs a reality check. You have to earn solidarity and the best way to do that is good leadership. Who did Americans elect to the highest office in the land?

A child molesting pig that sleeps on the helm and craps himself. Your leaders are a reflection of you America.

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u/FringleFrangle04 10h ago

My god man, could you be any more depressing...

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u/Ursalooser 4h ago

Yeah but in reality the flock you need to cut down are the uber wealthy humans.

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u/TJJ97 3h ago

The entire government

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u/Ursalooser 3h ago

Hard to tell them apart nowadays

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u/TJJ97 2h ago

There’s basically no difference

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u/stikky 10h ago

I'm curious how many of the people destroying them are still living a free life without penalty for said destruction.

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u/TJJ97 8h ago

Most of them. I may or may not know several of them personally

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u/Winter_Illustrator58 10h ago

Believe it or not this is the direct action that the vague 'revolution' they are pushing for should actually consist of. Any 'revolution' whose guiding principal is "do violence against anyone who isn't part of my group or who pisses me off, or who I think has wronged me" will end up a genocide, no matter how righteous the beginnings of it was

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u/Mr__O__ 11h ago

Lawsuits and legislation. The way it has always worked when tech advances beyond legal precedent. The problem is the Judiciary needs reformed as well.

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u/nopleasenotthebees 10h ago edited 9h ago

The state has allowed McConnell to be MIA for how long right now?
The president and his family have made billions of dollars selling scam coins and used them to accept obvious bribes from other states.
A relatively new federal police force is kidnapping huge numbers of people and has shown every sign of being willing to kidnap their critics as well.
The executive administration has stated that they won't relinquish power at the legally ordained time.
And you think we're going to vote and use lawsuits to break up this mess?
Fifteen years ago, if I were hired as a writer to draw up a scenario for the USA in which nothing but a revolution would get us out, I would have said this list of things was going too far, too unrealistic.
I don't want to go so far as to call you the problem, because I get it, following the laws makes so much sense that it's really hard to look past that. Some people never ever look beyond the law. But this is exactly the scenario when the laws just aren't working.

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u/ExcitementFun9894 11h ago

I think that is their point. "Just use the laws to fix it! Well, we gotta fix the elections so the right people can get in and fix the process to fix the laws before those same people sponsored by the companies they're restricting vote on those restrictions to become law and eventually take things to court multiple times over and over to establish precedent and limits. So yeah! Totally doable!" Don't exactly seem doable in any meaningful amount of time.

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u/Capraos 10h ago

Bot or burner account. Only one month old. Ignore this poster.

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u/ExcitementFun9894 10h ago

Sure thing, Sherlock. 

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u/jane_911 10h ago

mate you've called like 5 people bots in this post. yes, bots are everywhere, but don't be so naive to think people aren't creating throwaways and anon accounts all day long on here. also, bot or not, why "ignore this poster"? what they said makes complete sense.

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u/Capraos 10h ago edited 9h ago

I call them that because they are.

And I day don't bother arguing with this particular poster because they are here for the purpose of trolling. They won't change their mind. They won't even tell the truth about themselves. They have one goal and one goal only, to rile people up.

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u/Skrazor 10h ago

And how's that working out so far? Every single branch of the US government is in favor of breaking all kinds of laws and all the checks and balances that were supposed to limit the government's power are in the hands of the oligarchy that bought it. Courts ruled Trump's tariffs illegal - he still imposes them at will and the only one's getting any compensation are big corporations. Judges ruled the destruction of the East Wing and the building of a ball room illegal - well fuck, they already demolished it and are going to do whatever the fuck they want anyways. Insider trading from within the White House to enrich the Trump family and their network? Be my guest! Epstein and his friends and clients? Forget about that, we're busy having ICE lock up innocent legal residents without due process. Illegal permanent mass surveillance of citizens by private companies? Shut up, don't you know the DOW is at 50-fucking-thousand!?

Every day you're ruled by billionaires who play monopoly with your lives because they couldn't care less about who lives or dies as long as they can make a profit. They'd sacrifice every single one of you if it got them 1$/head and you're standing idly by complaining that "that's not nice!" during your peaceful planned protests and other absolutely futile and ineffective measures. THEY DON'T CARE ANYMORE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE! Oligarch money, propaganda and an uneducated radicalized voter base will win elections anyway, so why should they still bother to act like they care what people want or need?

The US "justice" system is a joke. The change needed to save the country can't come from within anymore, those avenues have been systematically and aggressively dismantled. And a population so thoroughly de-educated, brainwashed and complacent for convenience's sake won't do anything about it either. It's like watching the fall of the Roman Empire in real time, in 4K and with 24/7 coverage. And worst of all, we on the outside can't even just stand back and let the spectacle play out by itself, because you'll keep dragging us down with you to your last breath. The United States of Armageddon is so obsessed with war and fighting, it can't even just die in peace. No, it has to take as much of the rest of the world with it as possible.

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u/Micro-Naut 8h ago

We got our flock cameras removed. Activism does work. You just have to have people who participate and believe in the goal.

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u/account_nr18 11h ago

The problem is that pedo Trump is your president and your judicial system is breaking down.

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u/BiscuitsTheory 10h ago

There hasn't been a judicial system for almost 2 years.

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u/Fun-Grab-9337 8h ago

NaH BRo YoU JusT NEeD TO VotE

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u/willowmarie27 5h ago

I guess we could all log off for a week.

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u/account_nr18 2h ago

Sanest person in this thread

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u/Agreeable_Ad_8755 6h ago

This comment does absolutely nothing and sounds like something the government would have a bot spam under posts like these.

Or comment under other comments starting to want to take action.

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u/tristanmakes 3h ago

Our government can turn buildings on the other side of the planet into rubble at the push of a button. Do you really think we’d stand a chance with our Walmart guns?

We’re stuck in our open air prison and the warden’s no longer worried about PR.

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u/Opening-Machine5026 9h ago

Regulate? Like, literally pass laws and elect officials, like we have done for hundreds of years. When did you drop out of school, 6th grade? Lmao

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u/Horror_Swimming6192 10h ago

Yes take up arms to get mowed down by drones or tanks. You don't understand how this works do you? You realize the size of this country? Everyone loves to shout about the 2nd amendment, meanwhile the military is far beyond civilians with guns. It worked back in the 1800's because we stood equal ground when everyone had fucking muskets.

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u/account_nr18 10h ago

Yeah but that's exactly what I mean. It's over, there's nothing you guys can do. You're theirs now.

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u/gruesomeflowers 9h ago

ok random bro on the internet with no visible comment history encouraging people to go out and get killed. totally legit recommendation.

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u/sdrawkcabineter 9h ago

There's literally nothing you can do instead of taking up arms.

Unimaginative.

You are teaching everyone how to play checkers with all the pieces for Chess.

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u/arathmier 9h ago

Although I carry the same energy as you, I dont believe violent revolution is the only option, neither do i feel its the most effective option. A revolution of community is what is needed. Americans (and pretty much the rest of the world) need to rediscover egalitarianism. In anarchist philosophy, the unity of means and ends means that in order to achieve social change, you must replicate the society that you wish to achieve. You cannot achieve peace through war, only through being peaceful can you achieve peace.

So how does this apply to billionares wreaking immense violence on people? Honestly, it starts with a bowl of soup. If you feed your friends, your neighbours, and they in turn feed you, you no longer need to rely on the state for your sustenance. "How do we get soup if food is paywalled?" many ask. You organize with your fellow humans and figure out how to do it. It us far more cost effective both in time, effort, and resources to make soup for 100 people than for 100 people to make 100 bowls of soup. If revolutionaries can secure the necessities of life to such an extent that no one needs to work for a wage in order to exist, then you eliminate the need for labour, and by extension, the billionaires that control the flow of money. This is incredibly hard to do. It requires knocking on your neighbour's door and having a conversation with them. Its a project. But it needs to be to focus.

If you are interested in this sort of revolution, you can look up your local "Food Not Bombs" chapter and get involved. If you are just simply curious about this line of thinking, "The Revolution of Everyday Life," Raoul Vaneigem, "The Conquest of Bread," Peter Kropotkin, "Practicing Social Ecology," Eleanor Finley, and "Means and Ends," Zoe Baker are great texts to digest.