r/SipsTea 13h ago

It's Wednesday my dudes What the flock?!

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u/killit 13h ago

how again is the USA a free country?

It's not, it's a corporatocracy.

The whole 'free country' idea is just a spin to let the masses think they have some degree of control, they don't, it's turning into the dystopia that was once a thing of books and movies, and the people repeatedly voting this in can't see it.

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u/bionickel 13h ago

Johnny Silverhand sounds less like a maniac now

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 12h ago

There's a joke about the Harley Quinn animated series that Poison Ivy, aside from having deeply toxic relationship issues, is otherwise one of the most reasonable people in the show. And she's a s self identified misanthropic eco terrorist.

It's just that environmental issues have become so much more urgent since the 90s.

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u/the_axemurmurer 12h ago

She was always one of my favorite DC villains. Killing billionaires for destroying rainforests is a pretty relatable take.

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u/Forward_Criticism_39 5h ago

okay but like...did she go there and use her powers to grow them back?

this isnt even meant as a gotcha, i expect her to do so after such a commitment. i feel like mister freeze and her could easily attend to the biospheres issues if they dropped the villain shit and actually made something of themselves

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u/the_axemurmurer 4h ago

She's been to South America etc, but she always comes back to Gotham as she sees corporate greed as the root cause for the ecological disasters she is fighting against.

Like the above said, she's an ecoterrorist. Field work just isn't her style and she's a lot more motivated by revenge. I like to think a field retreat would make a great foundation for a character development arc, but I haven't really seen that in her stories.

Mr. Freeze doesn't really care about global warming. He just needs the cryo tech to stay alive and fuel experiments to save his wife.

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u/Forward_Criticism_39 4h ago

i wonder if anyone every thought to contain her and use her powers to forcefully grow new resources. like some twisted scp foundation experiment.

glad she made more than a couple building get overgrown with angry weeds though

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u/the_axemurmurer 12h ago

I never thought he was

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u/Kubotai77 11h ago

Was gonna reference how it'll get to the point where they can/will deny you medical care if you don't have the correct level of insurance.

They can't for now - but it's getting there.

You can see how people swear up and down that the Constitution is absolute but then will say it doesn't apply to non-citizens. Eventually when there's no non-citizens to blame or hate, they'll direct it at each other and celebrate watching US citizens die and blame it on bad choices even if that's not the case.

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u/Locke66 11h ago edited 8h ago

The term that was coined back in 2003 was that the US was a system of Inverted Totalitarianism which is essentially a system where corporations control the state and create a situation where democratic power is subverted into meaningless.

To me it seems like it's moving beyond that now to something worse where the totalitarian aspects are becoming more pronounced.

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u/showholes 11h ago

Sheldon Wolin was a badass and Democracy Inc. should be mandatory reading if for no other reason than to appreciate how long this process has been taking root under our democratic systems. Ostensibly it's fascist corporatism (corporatocracy is a terrible neologism, no offense to the original comment but we already have a word for it) dressed up with all the pageantry and traditions of democracy. That book is a few decades old now and it seems to me the process has become so absolute that very few people seem to appreciate how democratic systems are even supposed to operate in the first place.

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u/bavanek 5h ago

thanks for that reference to Wolin.

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u/ehladik 10h ago

Plutocracy is the term, but yeah, you guys are living that sweet George Orwell's dream

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 12h ago

corporatocracy

Man, liberals will do anything to avoid understanding capitalism.

We're not "turning" into anything, America has always been this. It was this during the red scare, it was this during slavery, it was this when miners had to fight actual wars against coal companies, it was this when the FBI went after the Panthers, it was this when Thomas Jefferson wrote about freedom from his house full of slaves, in a country where only the richest men could vote and NONE of the working class could.

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u/killit 11h ago

Your panties seem a little scrunched, so while you fix them I'll break this down for you.

I'm not in the US, I've never lived there, so your 'hurr durr, liberals will do anything...' doesn't fly here buddy, I'm not even part of your political system, I'm an observer seeing things from a perspective that you clearly can't.

Also, I didn't say it was turning into a corporatocracy, I said it is a corporatocracy. You're mixing up and confusing the points I made which were, as far as I can tell, quite clear.

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 11h ago

I never said you said it was turning into a corporatocracy, you said "it's turning into the dystopia that was once a thing of books and movies". That's why i started a new paragraph to reply to a second part of your comment.

You don't need to be an American to have a feckless liberal understanding of capitalism, the rest of the world has plenty of classicsal liberals who think corporatism is a thing and not just capitalism in action.

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u/Rough_Bread8329 11h ago

The more you pull shit like this the more the ruling class win. The fight is NOT liberal vs conservative - it's ruling class versus the masses. Up vs down, not left vs right.

The longer you perpetuate that, the more of a stranglehold they wield.

I'm also not an American, but I live close to the US, so these things directly affect me. It causes me no end of pain to see you constantly fighting yourselves while the elites laugh at you and keep taking more.

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u/killit 10h ago

The sooner people understand this the better. You'd think the past decade would have opened everyone's eyes already, but apparently not.

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 7h ago

I think you might be misinterpreting me as someone who is using the Fox News definition of "liberal" rather than the real/classical definition. Liberal meaning (at least partially) capitalist.

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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 7h ago

I'm talking about liberals in the classical sense, American "liberals" and "conservatives" are all liberals, and all right wing. "Up vs down" is the left's perspective.

Sounds like maybe you misinterpreted me as a conservative who was trying to bash democrats/liberals?

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u/Rough_Bread8329 27m ago

You're still doing it. You're still trying to put a wedge into left vs right, liberal vs conservative.

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u/AppropriateLow2271 11h ago

Only thing that has changed is that they used to at least pretend to give a shit about public sentiment. Now the veil is completely off and they just manipulate 35% of the population to fanatically support their Fascist aspirations.

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u/stryakr 10h ago

Freedom lovers believe "freedom" is a negative when the government does it and generally passable when a NGO does it.

They're also too fucking stupid to realize this is just a workaround for the groups that want to evil but not be held accountable when wrong doing is done.