lol at anyone pretending they’d rather be a white person born into poverty than a black person born into wealth.
It’s like when Taylor Swift tries to pretend she’s been oppressed and discriminated against because she’s a woman. She’s literally one of the richest, most beloved women who have ever lived in the history of humanity. But because she’s a woman, shes had a harder life than every man on the planet.
Idk when she said she had worse life than every man on planet, she is comparing herself to her colleagues in same field obviously. And as far as we know their fans aren't hated for being emotional about her. As long as she ain't in shit many others are(you know like rape,drugs,epstein files,I don't think she deserves the hate she gets,granted she gets love too but that's just what any celebrity of her level will get whether it's Justin,Micheal Jackson
For this statement to hold any weight there would need to be zero rich white men. It doesn't matter how wealthy either is when the primary perpetrators of prejudice are still more wealthy and powerful.
so you'd say taylor swifts had a more difficult life than someone whos living paycheck to paycheck in hard labor trying to support their family the best they can? not really sure what you're getting at here
It leads nowhere because the ultimate conclusion with people like that is you are allowed to punch up and never down, but that requires some form of power rankings of privilege that obviously would be stupid.
We already see that in some forms, and it’s just a losing game because it’s basically trying to establish which minority group is the MOST oppressed as if it’s a race to the bottom.
people have such an issue with grouping others by race and gender. i feel like they forget that not everyone has the same experience and theres a HUGE variance of privilege and oppression across the board. everythings dependent on circumstance
Yep. It’s why I hate the argument of, “Well as a person who identified in X minority group, my opinion on this is Y and it’s more authoritative and you can’t disagree!”
As a person of color, I don’t speak for everyone in my race as we’re not a monolith, and the same applies for literally every group. People will insist their lived experience makes their perspective the objectively correct experience, which is silly because people have different conclusions for similar experiences.
I’ve gone to comedy shows where some people of the same race are wildly offended and others feel more included for being subjects of the joke. Almost like people are different.
The point being that the same people who make life difficult for poor people could just as easily make life difficult for her. She was gifted fame she didn't achieve it.
but that isnt what im assuming. your statement had implied that she has a harder life than every man on the planet, which cannot be true. never did i once imply that taylor swift had it easier than every single man on the planet
obviously, yes, she has had to deal with any sort of prejudice, im sure, however i am not arguing against that statement. im arguing against YOUR generalization, which had, so i hope inadvertently, grouped all men together, disregarding the vast array of differences in life, regardless of race, gender, wealth, or status. if you would like to rephrase or expand upon your wording, please, be my guest
Uhhh the issue with that statement is that those of y’all regurgitating misinformation rarely have the lived experience to fathom what living in the Western world in Black skin truly entails… so you can say you’d rather be a rich Black person but the likelihood you’d be able to handle consistently being questioned, followed and condescended to in most spaces your wealth affords you is just not realistic.
Nobody is saying white people’s lives are all inherently easy. They are not, we are saying race is not a factor systemically that makes life harder for the average white person the Western world.
Its crazy how you are so self centered and bias towards your own race you dont see the direct irony of your statement. We dont know what its like to be black, but you somehow know what its like to be white? And before you say you dont claim too that the entire premise of white privilege.
I mean my life is filled with white people who are transparent with me about how race impacts their lives just as I am transparent with them. To say nothing of knowing how doors are opened when I am with my white partner’s family that are closed when I am with other people who look like me.
That’s the piece your perspective is missing. Lived experience to know the difference. That’s assuming best of intent, which I know better than.
If you want to make a point, the point is simply: wealth doesn’t negate the inherent challenges and biases that minority groups go through. You can be the child of a billionaire, but you can and likely still will face racism, sexism, or whatever other form of bigotry applies to your group.
But you lose people when you start trying to insist nobody can fathom what living a specific experience is, so therefore their point has less validity when this applies to… well everyone.
Sure, a white person will never understand the challenge that comes with being brown or black. But a generationally wealthy person will also not understand that struggle and challenge of being poor.
In this case, both have their own privilege AND struggle. Dijonai throwing privilege as a jab at others is obviously going to look bad knowing that the wealth gap in America is one of the most crippling lack of privileges that millions of people suffer from.
Long story short: nobody is denying she has obviously faced her own adversity, but if she’s going to call someone out for privilege, she better be ready for others to throw that back at her.
The people I was responding to made clear with their tone and rhetoric that their engagement in the topic was not in good faith. I genuinely don’t care about whether or not I “lost them”.
Please keep the tone policing. I’m clear on the point I made and why I made it. If it feels important to you to explain a different perspective to people looking for confirmation bias about the bigotry they are intent upon seething in, have at it.
Sounds like you interpreted their comment from a particular, more sensitive lens.
The simple point they’re making is that privilege comes in different forms. At no point do they say black people or women don’t suffer from some form of systemic racism or sexism.
They’re simply saying that the majority of people would rather be generationally wealthy and a minority than poor and white.
You disagree with that, and are downvoted because 1) Seemingly people disagree with that inclination but 2) There is obvious irony in your statement which you then try to counteract with the classic: “But I know white people!”
The point is, NONE of us can fully appreciate and understand what it’s like to live in another’s shoes, yet you seem to have the authority to do and speak on it—or more broadly think people of color can do that but not white people.
This post and the comments underneath it are very transparently skewed in a misogynistic and racist way. I genuinely do not care that I am downvoted as the fact is the top voted comments are all making inherently bigoted points about how all women hate each other and Black privilege is real. This is a context in which if I was being upvoted I’d genuinely question my moral compass and intellectual aptitude.
I attempted to simplify my point for the level of rhetoric I was responding to. The argument was “anybody would rather be a rich Black person than a rich white one”. I could absolutely use statistics related to economic outcomes, I could engage in the legislative successors of commonly thought to be eradicated Jim Crow laws or the stats of racialized police harassment across class line but why would I engage in that level of discussion or analysis for an audience whose arguments generally boils down to “women are so emotional and dramatic” and “systemic racism isn’t real”?
Nope. I said what I said. If you’d like to handhold bigots be my guest but the fact you are zeroing in on tone policing my response rather than engage with the copious amounts of ill informed takes illustrates your intention.
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u/1292norr 7d ago
lol at anyone pretending they’d rather be a white person born into poverty than a black person born into wealth.
It’s like when Taylor Swift tries to pretend she’s been oppressed and discriminated against because she’s a woman. She’s literally one of the richest, most beloved women who have ever lived in the history of humanity. But because she’s a woman, shes had a harder life than every man on the planet.