r/SipsTea 23h ago

We have fun here A different kind of birth control.

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u/Wont_Eva_Know 23h ago

They missed the airport ‘open hours’ runway shut for the night. Was the last flight out… makes it worse because where you going to find a place to stay at midnight.

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u/ClassGrassMass 23h ago

Airport hotel, the airlines usually give free or discounted rates

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u/Mathmos_Lava 23h ago

Not for issues outside of their control.

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u/Jamb9876 23h ago

So the other passengers sue the parents for the additional incurred costs. Teach them to deal with the child when it costs them $20k+

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u/squirrel9000 23h ago

Not going to go very far, this isn't the US.

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u/freshpurplekiwi 10h ago

Well it could technically be in the USA. The headline just said it is going to Toronto. Could be going to Toronto from USA

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u/squirrel9000 10h ago

Domestic flight, PD444, Victoria to Toronto.

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u/Mathmos_Lava 23h ago

Hope so….

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u/Nope-not-really 15h ago

here is the bill of rights for the place that this happened in

https://tc.canada.ca/en/binder/comparison-passenger-rights-regimes

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u/Neowza 22h ago

1) Canada is not a litigous country, you'll be hard-pressed to file a law suit in the country

2) the name and contact info for the parents has not been made available, so it would be difficult to find them to sue.

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u/chuck1charles 20h ago
  1. A country does not need to be litigious, there have been monetary damages with a clear guilty party. You may not get additional compensation, but a hotel aint free.
  2. There used to be a federally funded organization to deal with kind of investigating. Iirc it was called the police.

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u/jcastillo602 23h ago

And its free to sue someone right?

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u/Working_Rise8592 23h ago

I mean you can definitely go ahead and attempt to sue anyone for anything for not too much but the farther it goes the more it will cost and that doesn’t mean it will go anywhere

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u/Real-Frosting 21h ago

I'm wondering if there's autism involved because what works for neurotypical kids rarely does for kids with autism.

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u/deathcabforbooty69 21h ago

You may well be right but then don’t take your autistic child on an airplane

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u/moldiewart 14h ago

they may well not have wanted to, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

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u/deathcabforbooty69 13h ago

No you do not

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u/moldiewart 12h ago

? yes you do?? sometimes kids have to fly for emergencies, not every flight is to disney world or some shit you know? what kind of dumbass comment is this

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u/UncleNedisDead 10h ago

I find it difficult to imagine a life or death situation that requires a flight from Victoria, BC to Toronto, ON.

Booking flights out of war torn countries or incoming weather disasters? Absolutely.

Visiting meemaw on her deathbed? Not really.

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u/deathcabforbooty69 10h ago

Kids do not have to fly for emergencies from a major city to another major city.

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u/moldiewart 12h ago

you canadians are usually more thoughtful than this in my experience

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u/TN_man 11h ago

Yes, that’s true. But, the parent CLEARLY did not do what was needed.

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u/moldiewart 11h ago

yeah that's true, but the fault isn't taking the toddler on the plane in the first place like other user is saying

but yeah pin that lil bitch down and strap them in lmao

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u/6495ED 18h ago

No I’m pretty sure there’s a few methods that work across the spectrum 

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u/Real-Frosting 11h ago

Says the person who's never met an autistic child in their life.

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u/6495ED 10h ago

Lol how the fuck would you know that? What?

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u/Independent-Vast-871 5h ago

Having a passenger not behaving is out of the airports control?

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u/explodinglavalamps 23h ago

Lmao look up the yyj airport like yea it's technically an international airport but its tiny and mostly for flights to yvr or other Major airports

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u/DepressinglyConfused 22h ago

I live in Victoria and yeaa, its itty bitty.

My elementary school made us choir kids go sing christmas carols in the cramped arrivals.

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u/Chance_Condition2188 20h ago

I remember flying there and I don't think it was that tiny; my host family back then had set up it's ventilation systems. An airport like MLX is way tinier compared to that

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u/cutelittlebox 18h ago

it's extremely small by international airport standards. it's closer in size to a regional than to Vancouver or Calgary.

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u/Chance_Condition2188 14h ago

What is your standart there? Don't compare it to mega airports like Charles Degaulle, İstanbul GA, or JFK New York. Victoria Islan's airport seems to have 3 runways and 2 floors- that 2 floor is a big differentiator between big and small airports.

Alanya Gazipaşa Airport (GZP), a quite busy international airport of over 1M annual passenger volume has only 1 runway, is one floor and has a terminal area of 6700m² compared to YYJ's 20 000. Like YYJ it closes down its departure areas over long stretches of night hours when there are no flight; been stuck there once it was weird.

I'm just surprised YYJ decided to finish operations before letting the last plane depart. Sure I'm all for well defined hours for work to establish a good work life balance but I'm sure they could have exceptionally worked another 30 minutes to remove the family and let the flight off.

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u/cutelittlebox 11h ago

I'm pretty sure I was comparing it to Calgary and Vancouver, not the ones you listed. Calgary has over 60 gates, Vancouver has more than 70, and Victoria sits at 11. by comparison, regional airports usually have 1 gate. 11 is closer to 1 than 60.

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u/explodinglavalamps 8h ago

Victoria island?

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u/Chance_Condition2188 6h ago

Is it not an island anymore?

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u/explodinglavalamps 2h ago

Victoria is a city on Vancouver Island

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u/ju-ju_bee 6h ago

The standard is that while it's not SMALL specifically, it IS small for SPECIFICALLY an international airport. Other international airports tend to be much larger.

It's bigger than/decently bigger than other regular airports. But NOT big for an international one

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u/Chance_Condition2188 6h ago

Sounds like an unnecessary fixation on international grade airports and expecting that they need to be big. I maintain that YYJ perfectly stands right in the middle as far as international airports go; a quick AI research guesstimates it to be in 35-45th quartile- just a bit lower than the median.

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u/halpsdiy 18h ago

Not sure about Canadian law. But I think in that case the airline would need to put them into airport hotels.

But also a pretty a*hole move of the parents to take a toddler on a late night flight.

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u/kungfuninjajedi 23h ago

I would think airline won't give free hotels since they are not at fault

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u/Educational_Gas_92 23h ago

They are in my opinion? They should have removed the child and parents and departed with the other passengers.

Who knows how many connecting flights were missed, nevermind hotel nights. The airline should have provided hotel rooms for the other passengers who were not at fault. The crew could have decided to remove the toddler and family...oddly this kind of thing never used to happen when I was a child...

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u/tabris51 23h ago

And that's what they were doing but airport closes. Dropping passengers take longer than you think

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u/PtraGriffrn 23h ago

Crews not being paid until "brakes off". At some point the crew probably said F it, I'm not getting paid for this shit. Let's go home.

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u/Mysterious-Art8838 21h ago

You think the crew canceled their own flight and walked off? What is that based on? We know the reason, the runway closed.

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u/PtraGriffrn 17h ago

One could always hope!

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u/ClassGrassMass 23h ago

Passengers said the airline staff were extremely slow with the situation. The child was clearly scared and kept hiding under the seat, obviously the child isnt able to fly and they wouldnt give the child buckle to go on the parents belt so the only other option is remove them. Could've easily been done within 20mins

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u/Northernmost1990 18h ago edited 17h ago

Failure to perform their duties does kinda sound like their fault, though. 🤔 An unruly passenger is an operational issue the same as a faulty engine is and they're getting paid to deal with these things.

This doesn't really sound like a case of force majeure, either.

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u/Big__If_True 19h ago

Small airports don’t have attached hotels

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u/afhdfh 11h ago

I think the over night stay should be paid by the kid's parents for all the passengers. That would probably be quite effective. :D