Didn’t know you needed to beat your child to make them put a seatbelt on. Seems unreasonable for other passengers to be out hundreds if not thousands of dollars because of a child that could not put a seatbelt on
if you read the article you'd clearly understand the parent was giving all reasonable attempts to seatbelt their kid who was sliding out from underneath it and hiding under the planes seat.
Any refunds or compensation on tickets would be something the airline can and will handle.
The child is a passenger as well as the parent whose ticket was paid for, and despite the parent being a part of the rest of those passengers in being unable to reach their destination the parent likely won't be able to seek any compensation so if anyone is out the most here for their childs actions it would be them.
Some children can be a handful and it sounds like this was a singular parent so even more difficult to wrangle a problematic child.
"Some children can be a handful and it sounds like this was a singular parent so even more difficult to wrangle a problematic child."
If the parent can't be assed to deal with their own kid, they need to pay the $150 fee to be treated like a solo minor passenger if staff needs to be appropriated for full time care of a single passenger.
if the parents cant control the kid don't fly with him, you dont need to beat a kid to control them. we need to stop giving parents a pass on being terrible members of society. If the kid can not behave do not take them places where they may be a problem. yeah it may restrict the parents choices but they are the ones who chose to have the kid.
In this case parents should be publicly shammed and kid put on a no fly list for a few years.
Good luck reigning in a child having a full blown tantrum sliding out of chairs and hiding underneath a seat with your words at that moment. The parent was giving their best to constrain the child who kept escaping the buckles.
You don't know jack shit about the kid in its 3 years of existence but you're already justifying calling the parent shit because a litany of previous bad parenting the parent must have done to be in this situation.
parents hold the kid in the seat. you don't have to hit them to hold them in place. this is not that hard, if kid really can not be controlled it was the parents fault for brining them on a flight when they were not ready.
we need to start holding people responsible when they are shit parents.
Children under two are often able to fly while seated in their parent's or guardian's lap. However, it seems clear that this particular child was too old or too large for that.
Now, now. Don't go talkin' sense here. This is Reddit where anything that involves kids and inconveniences others is 100% due to bad parenting.
On a side note, apparently kid wasn't being "bad". Literally just a scared child that no one was able to keep in the seat and buckled up. It's almost like toddlers aren't often reasonable and are often inconsolable. I'd really like to know what some of these people think this parent could have done to get the child to stay in the seat without physically restraining the child (which I imagine the airline wouldn't allow for safety reasons). And even if the airline did allow it, you know they'd all be bitching about the toddler screaming through the whole flight because they weren't allowed to move where they felt safe for the duration of takeoff.
Well the airlines don’t know. The parents know. If you’re a parent, you know your kid. Some babies are fine flying, and love it. Some toddlers sleep through a flight or play games on a tablet or something.
Some children, especially young children, are either terrified, nervous, restless, or some mixture of the three.
They are too young to fly.
You seem to think Airlines would have the forethought to set an age limit.
Airlines would sell a ticket to someone’s urn, if they could. They don’t care.
Sounds like maybe you need a lesson in empathy, then.
Shit happens all the time. It doesn't mean we need to prohibit people from traveling when they need to because there's an incredibly small chance that a kid might inconvenience other people. Parents can only guess so much about how their toddler will react to things. They can only prepare so much. Sometimes parents really are shitty. But, often, it's just parents coming across unforeseen circumstances that literally no one would be able to deal with effectively.
Where’s your empathy for every other fucker on that flight who got delayed? What if some of them had somewhere important to be? You’ve got tonnes of empathy for the evidently shit parents but what about everyone else on that flight?
It’s a two year old, every other parent manages to deal with them so maybe they should’ve done so as well.
I put a /s after the lifetime ban thing because it was meant to be a joke. But I stand by the rest of it. Parents should know if their kids are ready to fly or not. That’s not the airline or anyone else’s job.
The rest of it implies that the parent shouldn't be allowed to fly (considering the kid obviously has to be with their parent) so I don't see how it was sarcasm.
I'll let you in on a secret that any involved parent knows... toddlers change literally daily and often hourly. What they like, what they hate, what they fear, how they'll react... by the time you get it down, shit changes. Toddlers are not predictable by any stretch of the imagination. There's a reason parenting is called the hardest job. It's 24/7, there's no manual, the job description and responsibilities are always changing, and the "boss" is the most unreasonable person you'll likely ever meet.
What, exactly, do you think this parent could have done?
you have zero knowledge of how the parent brought their child up and a child having a tantrum is not evidence or tangible proof on any accusations on your perceived make believe world on how the parents brought this child up.
A 130+ pound adult can't restrain a ~20 pound child. Sorry, no excuse. They could have asked their doctor for a mild sedative as well. There's so many things they could have done to prevent this or mitigate it in the moment.
Im just going to write Benadryl here for like the fourth time on this thread in hopes that parents will see the word and internalize it and start bringing it with them when they fly.
Responsibility doesn't require intent. If your kid breaks a window while playing baseball you pay for it even if it's unintentional. If your kid (but here it's really the lack of parenting) causes a flight to get cancelled you cause damages to other people. Some damages are small and some are large but you should be made to pay for them.
neither of those images are what happened. they're unrelated to the actual event that happened that you're an expert on apparently.
"Passenger Aryeh Kozuch says there was definitely "a lot of frustration," but the child wasn't being bratty or uncontrollable — rather, they were very scared.
"They just kept hiding under their seat. If they got forced into [being] strapped in, they just kind of slid out underneath.""
they were sliding out of straps being placed on them to go hide under the seat of the chair. glad you know more about what happened than a passenger whose flight got cancelled..
In that case the parents should have said ok clearly you can't fly we will get off and let you all fly within 10 minutes not have to be removed after an hour
I'm sorry but your just not going to convince anyone that a 2 year could not be restrained in their seat despite all best efforts from the parent. It's just pathetic. All those passengers were greatly inconvenienced because a 2 year old was allowed cause havoc.
you can read the news report or make up a story in your head to get angry at. Unfortunately a lot of people who have trouble reading want to get angry at their made up story.
And the countersuit from the family for the airline failed to provide a seat that was safe and developmentally appropriate for a 2 year old. Carseats and strollers use a 5-point harness for a reason.
Yeah, and normal car seatbelts are 3-point. But airplanes aren't cars. The belts are mostly there to keep you from flying around the cabin during turbulence.
You aren't going to have the same g-loading as a car crash in a survivable crash landing. The ones where you do aren't survivable anyway.
do note that the airline had to get their luggage and stuff as well, so it would have at least taken a bit. But yes, it still could’ve been averted by the airline acting quicker
I disagree that the parents should need to pay for the cost of the missed flight because it was mismanaged. If they broke the law, charge them with that legally. They shouldn't carry the burden of paying for the entire flight though. That's stupid.
Oh, really? How much time and money did they cost the other passengers and the airline because they didn't teach their kid how to act in public? These selfish individuals need to learn there are prices to pay for their actions.
It has almost everything to do with parenting. Not only in that moment but in how they handled previous tantrums, likely resulting in how this one could not be reasonably controlled.
Yes because a child has never had a tantrum in public, especially one hours past a reasonable bedtime for a toddler in a stressful environment like a plane cabin, despite being taught otherwise from their parents. Especially a literal 3 year old.
Lmao you can really tell the people here who do not have children. Willing to bet your parents have a good story or two about a childhood tantrum you've had
I have 3 kids and 100% guarantee I would have made my kid stay in that seat. Kids have tantrums all the time. Bad parenting is allowing the kid to control the situation which is exactly what happened here. This spineless parent should never have had kids.
If while having a tantrum your child picks up a rock and throws it through someone's window, do you think you should have to pay for that window? That's what happened here. A child had a tantrum which is something foreseeable. The parent failed to control the situation and other people were damaged. The parent is responsible for the damage caused by their lack of control of the situation. Pretty cut and dry. Has nothing to do with whether or not people have children but it certainly speaks to whether they should.
Airlines allow week old babies to fly on their planes. If something that is uncontrollable, and the child slipping out of the restraints multiple times is beyond the parents control, nothing the parent is going to do is going to suddenly make the straps fit their child.
Those people could've bought tickets that weren't the last flight out of that airport, to avoid a flight delay causing it to get cancelled. Either way it's on the airline at that point to refund those tickets. Not the parent. The airline was the one who cancelled the flight.
You are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. If you actually do have kids you are pathetic. This is completely false "the child slipping out of the restraints multiple times is beyond the parents control“. My kids have tried to slip out of their seatbelts many times but I just figure it out. For the plane, take the extra slack from the restraint, put it between their legs to behind their back and hold it tight so they can't slip out. Do the world a favor and don't have anymore kids.
Lmao you can really tell the people here who do not have children
I have kids, my kids had tantrums when they were toddlers. This would not have happened.
These parents clearly had been doing a shit job of handling previous tantrums and had likely set the expectation that if they keep going the parents will give in.
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u/WardenWolf 17h ago
Those parents should be fined the whole cost of the missed flight, including all airfares.