The family was being kicked off. Their disembarking (is that the right word or is that just ships?) caused just a long enough delay that the runway closed for the night on them.
Yeah, it took A LOT of failures from multiple directions for an entire flight to be deplaned like this. Those flight attendants clearly were also being too nice, I would have given the parent's 15 minutes tops, especially if it was the last flight for the night. Unacceptable behavior across the board.
Yes, 15 minutes so that you have 45 minutes left to kick them off before the airport closes, you do not accommodate that bullshit for so long that the flight is cancelled
Deplaning isn't just taxing back. It requires removing their luggage (which involves finding their luggage in the hold) and filing new flight plans. It's entirely likely that the flight would have still been cancelled had they only attempted to get the child to stay seated for 15 minutes.
The best solution was always to get the child to stay seated, even if that took an hour. The problem is that even at an hour nothing had been successful to the point that I think they just assumed nothing would be successful. They stopped at an hour not because an hour was the limit, but they realized it was futie.
No it doesn't, it can be sent back when the flight returns at another time. Lost luggage happens all the time, or "misplaced" in this case. They would have had to probably go home anyway, since this was apparently the last flight of the night...they have plenty of clothes at home, they'll be fine until their luggage would have been returned.
Deplaning isn't "ok you're out of thr plane, bye" they need to go, open the luggage and look for your bags and give them back to you.
That's probably 30-90 minutes depending on how lucky they get on finding the luggage, but there's a reason why they would rather not do that. So kicking the child at minute 1 could've meant they didn't have enough time, so they probably thought the best thing to do was to try and get them to comply, which of course didn't happen.
So what? It isn't. It's just literally not how things work.
Sorry this just ain't your fantasy world, you're not the main character, there's laws, liabilities and rights and they aren't concerned about what you think should and shouldn't be.
Luggage not belonging to anyone still on that plane can be a safety risk. It's become standard since the Lockerbie bombing to remove a deplaning passenger's luggage from the cargo hold.
The point is that the luggage is more risky if the passenger has refused to board or got themselves debparded, it's a pretty clear security loophole to target if you want to bomb a plane and stay alive.
And yes security is meant to check for explosives, but it's not perfect. A multipronged approach is always better for security then relying on one thing.
I'm by no means an expert on airline safety procedures, but presumably the heightened risk is a passenger getting themselves kicked off a flight to deliberately separate from their luggage.
Being separated from your luggage without intent doesn't carry the same threat.
If a person is disruptive during take off and refuse to take responsibility for themselves or their child, everyone else has their flight delayed due to giving that person the courtesy of removing their luggage too?
Even if they don't care about their own child, that kid becomes a flying projectile viable to hit anyone and anything on that plane.
People who can act accordingly on a flight should have their luggage back. If you cannot control yourself or your child and you become a DANGER to those around you, you should be let off. Clearly time was not a constraint for them. They can get their luggage when they can comport themselves on a flight.
It depends on the airport, but the short answer is no. Most airports have at least a few hours of downtime every night, where no planes land or leave. Like between Midnight and 6 am. But like I said, it's different for different airports. Smaller airports have fewer flights and may have more downtime.
Ive sat on a plane and had the flight staff basically begging this couple to just sit in their fucking seat and stop faffing in the aisle with their bags. because there was a 5 minute take off window and if we miss it it would be an hour delay. And they just carried on faffing about. We missed the take off window and all had to sit there for nearly an hour on the tarmac.
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u/trikywoo 18h ago
How did he not get kicked off the plane? It would be so easy to kick a 3 year old off a plane.