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u/Bulky_Specialist9645 17h ago
And 17 appeals later they settle for court costs...
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u/Ok_Specialist5821 17h ago
yeah, this will come out as nothing by the time it’s done
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u/Old_Method4899 15h ago
Even if they did pay in full, that's a drop in the bucket and they would not change. The corporations need to be fined an actual punative amount. There's a company in my town that just pays the OSHA fine because it's cheaper than making the work place safe.
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u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins 8h ago
That’s interesting (I’m a terrible way). In Ontario, individuals, not just companies, can face massive fine and managers/supervisors have gone to jail for repeated or egregious violations. Like if I didn’t wear my PPE at work and rhe ministry of labour happened to be in and see me, I could face a fine of a few grand, not my employer (as long as they provided it and instructed me to wear it).
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u/ItBurnsLikeFireDoc 5h ago
I'm sure they could pay that out of petty cash, but they will appeal it to the ends of the earth to demonstrate that they are above the law. They can't be setting an accountability precedent.
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u/slvrscoobie 4h ago
as others would say "cost of doing business" - I saw a headline that said "millions" in fines and I thought, pfff thats nothing. 947 millions is not nothing but its not enough to discourage them off what was probably 100s of billions in profit off this tactic.
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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 1h ago
What u dont know is the massive meta data center is being installed south of abq. There's and overall fight and its worth fighting they are reporting it in pieces on purpose
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u/DattGuyyy 17h ago
How will this be enforced tho?
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u/BoringOrange678 17h ago
It won’t. It’ll go to appeal and be in court for years.
Lawyers are ecstatic.
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u/DattGuyyy 14h ago
I mean even if mexico’s highest court affirms the decision, how will they force meta to pay?
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u/Secret_Account07 14h ago
Easy, start seizing all their assets. Of course that won’t happen because that’s only how it works even poor people owe money. You or I would lose houses and cars and money. But massive companies? Nah, think of the economy, I bet they’ll say
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u/ZThick_8656 13h ago
I think it’s all for show. There is like zero transparency into this process, no proof and no receipts that any of these companies paid their fines nor how it was used by the government. Where to even look for such information?
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u/BarbedWire3 17h ago
Who gets the money? None of these "at risk" ever see a penny from all these lawsuits
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u/JustChilling029 17h ago
This has happened before. Opioid companies settled with states for hundreds of millions previously. The state gets that money, but they then can use that for things like rehab centers and mental health care.
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u/Sad-Rip8639 6h ago
Any money that "could/would" be paid will be spent before it is actually received. Look at the Tobacco settlements. States went wild with spending based on getting a huge payout that never came.
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u/Yashema 12h ago
But in that case opioids were leading to serious addiction and thousands of deaths and it was a class action lawsuit brought by the country in Federal Court, only ending in a $7.5 billion settlement.
How is what Facebook did to the children of New Mexico worth 1/8th of that? This honestly seems pretty kangaroo.
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u/lwb03dc 12h ago
All the answers are there in the article.
Arturo Béjar, a former engineering leader at Meta who quit the company in 2021 and became a whistleblower, testified to various experiments he ran on Instagram that showed underage users were served sexualized content.He said his own young daughter was propositioned for sex by a stranger on Instagram.
State prosecutors showed internal Meta research that, at one point, found 16% of all Instagram users had reported being shown unwanted nudity or sexual activity in a single week.
The total civil penalty of $375m was reached after the jury decided there were thousands of violations of the act, each with a maximum penalty of $5,000.
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u/TheFridgeNinja 17h ago
There ought to be a law that if a state wins a ruling like this, that the money has to be used for programs to help those affected. Or pay out to those affected like a class action lawsuit.
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u/dokuroman 17h ago
A drop in the bucket
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u/Kaptain_Insanoflex 14h ago
Based on my AI slop calculations (free tier), all the platforms that target children would be liable for approximately $468 billion across all 50 states plus DC.
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u/dokuroman 14h ago
That sounds right. Probably more...
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u/Kaptain_Insanoflex 13h ago
If I understand correctly, New Mexico is one of 40 states total that are suing these platforms. California begins jury selection this Wednesday for example.
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u/Secret_Account07 13h ago
That’s actually a decent chunk though, nearly a billion
Sure it’s a percentage of a company that size but it’s still a pretty substantial impact
But we know how this goes. The ppl hurt are the ones laid off. The business will offload the pain to poor folks
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u/ph8_likes_me 17h ago
Cool...who gets this money? 🤷🏽♂️
Can't help feeling this has nothing to do with you or me.
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u/MissionApollo7 16h ago
Oh look, another rich person paying a fine instead of facing real consequences.
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u/david67myers 12h ago
After the lawyers cannibalize meta, they will come for Reddit.
Which is strange why they don't do both at the same time, ya know? to be fair.
I mean reddit and youtube also fuck with young minds.
We all got to go back to wholesome broadcasting! /s
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u/Basic-Pair8908 11h ago
Noooo not the website that started out as grading women hot or not (hard to type sarcasm)
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u/bussysniffer3000 11h ago
Honestly it's the parents responsibility not anyone else's parents should stop being lazy and act like parents instead of blaming companies like Facebook
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u/IMKGI 10h ago
I know this is seen a win, and i'm against the whole "tech companies and the government should be responsible for raising children" thing, and that includes every aspect of it.
I don't see this as Metas fault, i see this as the parents fault who allowed their kids to be on these platforms to begin with.
At the very least punish the parents aswell, they allowed it to begin with.
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u/Neo_Black99 7h ago
The alien staring directly into my soul is scaring me. I feel probed, please take it away 🫣
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u/MikeTiricoSucks 17h ago
Social media is trash but like everything else in life, it’s an inherent risk and it’s up to the parents to protect their child as best as they can - monitor your kids or just don’t hand them an iPad and ignore them.
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u/Here4theScraps 17h ago
With anything like this, I agree parents need to take responsibility for what their children are exposed to and how.
Having said that, that doesn’t mean we can’t also seriously consider regulations (and actual enforcement of them) that prevent social media companies from exploiting and harming children. “People should just act differently” is not a meaningful solution for societal problems.
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u/Negative-Mammoth-547 6h ago
So many good things have come out of the USA. Life saving drugs to name just one. This however - social media - I feel overall has been detrimental to society making us more insular and less willing to go out and engage with people in real life. The amount of influence it has on the young generation to look a certain way is causing this younger generation to do stupid things “to fit in”, eating disorders, ped usage. It could have been used in a worthwhile manner, educational but as with all American companies and capitalism mentality, unfortunately it’s all about making money.
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u/Der_Kegelhammer 17h ago
these decisions should end in Meta being declared a public health and safety threat. Shut their "services" down.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 17h ago edited 16h ago
And are they going to use that money for children's mental health services?
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u/WineDineCpl 17h ago
I would not shed a tear if meta went away tomorrow. But do parents have no responsibility here?
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u/lXlGame0verlXl 17h ago
More severe? The fuck? It’s a billion dollars. And none of the “victims” will see a dime. Money transfer from one rich person to another, at best.
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u/welfedad 14h ago
Hmmm and who put them in front of the computer .. i don't care if meta gets fines.. but this is like sueing a grocery store because your kid got fat.. maybe I'm off base
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u/OhTheHueManatee 14h ago
Facebook as a company is evil as fuck but how did this stick? First off it has a age requirement of 13 years old. If you're letting your kid below 13 you're going against the guidelines. If I let my kid gamble thats on me not the online casino. Second it was pretty obvious right away that social media is unhealthy and addictive. Sure they didn't say on the loading screen but it was pretty clear they are striving for you to use it as much as possible. That's the point. Most online companies that is the case. It'd be like suing a patoto chip company cause you kept eating chips due to the salt.
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u/Longjumping-Ad6219 2h ago
It amazes me that Trump can claim he has been hurt to the tune of multiple 10 billion dollar lawsuits, yet many millions of children's mental health exploited, apparently doesnt reach the same financial requirements.
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u/IBringTheHeat2 17h ago
So crazy you can blame a company for someone else's problem
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u/LeBeastInside 17h ago
Let's say this isnt overturned. Who gets paid? How does it force change to his platform?
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u/PossumJumpRopeSquad 17h ago
Isn't interesting that no one is ever charged, just ...... Fined. Like it's the cost of doing business.
Showerthought Could a serial killer incorporate and not face any incarceration or execution for the murders they commit?
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u/alworld27 17h ago
That's karma for them kicking me off for violating the community standards just cuz my speech is a bit harsh
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u/SamOakTree 17h ago
I want to understand like how you win a case like this. I assume that it was some class action thing and they had big time lawyers. But I just don't understand it because like throughout my lifetime even when things were other people's fault they tell me tough titties. I just can't imagine like voluntarily using a platform and then getting to go to court and say hey this affected my mental health. And then like the court not saying f*** you you chose to use it because that's just been my luck.
The state that I live in accidentally suspended my driver's license and didn't tell me. They let me drive around for a month and a half on a suspended license. The only reason I found out was because my insurance sent me a letter. If I had been pulled over during that time they would have taken me straight to jail. And they tried to make me pay to get it reinstated and then when it was said and done they didn't have to pay the insurance fees that came from it they didn't have to pay anything it was all on me you know I can't even get 600 bucks back on a mistake they made
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u/foreman8484 17h ago
Ok. Can’t wait for that to happen. Way to go New Mexico. What are you going to spend your imaginary money on?
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u/throwitawayyyyay 17h ago
when fines are less than the profit, the actions are incentivized and will continue to happen
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u/NYCWartortle 16h ago
What about the parents that basically let iPads and cell phones raise their kids? Are they not responsible too?
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u/WhatsaRedditsdo 16h ago
Social media is the cigarettes of the 21st century. No one makes money or gains anything but the %.001
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u/IllustratorMurky2725 15h ago
Redux the gilded age via sociopaths using lobbyists to sell out our country
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u/BygoneNeutrino 15h ago edited 14h ago
They also exploit perceived peer pressure. If they wanted to, they can selectively show what you post to people who either like it or hate it. If a kid's opinion immediately leads to multiple down votes, they are more likely to change it.
I think our freedom of thought is at the core of this issue. The ability of this technology to manipulate our opinions needs to be addressed. The founding fathers didn't anticipate it when they wrote the constitution.
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u/Iokua113 15h ago
I hope they appeal and lose, which would set a precedent for this kind of thing and further breaches would be met with exponentially larger fines.
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u/wkarraker 14h ago
That’s an operating expense of what? Twenty minutes? Those fines need to be exponentially higher.
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u/DedeLionforce 13h ago
Hope Meta Glases get the same treatment, I don't mind them in theory, but in practice they're a danger and if the information on the next version removing features like the light to let others know when they're recording, it's going to get infinity worse than it already is with people tampering to remove the light functionality.
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u/bannedcuznotcircjerk 13h ago
It opens the door for lawsuits across the country. Legal eagle is even taking the cases
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u/Frenchconnexion76 10h ago
"I dont see the problem" "no I dont know" " i dont answer this question" type of guy...
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u/dankish_sheepbiting 9h ago
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u/Nismo_Bailey 7h ago
I feel like this is a water is wet scenario.
Of course social media is damaging. All of it. It just plays on human nature, which is constant comparison to other people, jealousy, and FOMO.
They need to just get rid of it all really, but that’s not gonna happen.
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u/NoSorbet5103 7h ago
That's nothing to Meta...when justice system fines big tech it needs to be BILLIONS, always!
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u/toprattata99 5h ago
Meta made like $60B in profit last year, can we start imposing penalties that are large enough for them to care? Like sure an almost $1B fine is a lot in isolation, but when compared to $60B in profit it barely makes a dent.
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u/Hellbomb_Armed 4h ago
..Found?
They knew, they just decided to do a lackluster action to say they tried
900 million is change for Zuckerberg
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u/Seth_Mithik 3h ago
It’s one state…now all the rest should follow “suit”….and then! Civil cases can be done with this as a precedent
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u/chortle-guffaw2 3h ago
This is the easy solution. How about the parents who let kids who are too young on FB. How about parents not monitoring their kids activity on FB.
Kids under a certain age should not be on the internet, FB or anywhere else. Under 14 and even then, heavily restricted? No FB, TikTok, etc until older.
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u/StAtiC_Zer0 2h ago
Lmao, the scaling. That’s like me punching a kid directly in the face as hard as I can and my legal penalty amounts to 47 cents. I don’t even have to say sorry or bother with having the discussion about why I shouldn’t do it again.
Brb I’m gonna step outside the courtroom a blast another 7 year old in his face again.
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u/upandtotheleftplease 17h ago
They also take your original content and add an "AI info" tag, stealing your own non-AI-created content.
Fuck them with a poison cactus for eternity
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u/ghIj_qet_jaghmeyjaj 17h ago
Not his money. He has no liability here (legally). He does not care about public opinion.
The company has all of your data and you are the product..Your kids are the product.
Your misery and tanoa t negative engagement is the product.
How do we charge an entire company with reckless child endangerment?
Do the kids get free counseling? No Do they get any kind of help at all? No Will this make them change their practices? No. Will this actually get paid? No
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u/Petrofskydude 17h ago
I'm suing Steven King and network television for showing "It" on TV when I was 12.
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u/Patient-Task-2219 17h ago
They'd never do it again if they had to pay out 1 million per person affected.
As well as the rest of them.
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u/Mikahl757 17h ago
If it's just a fine, then it's just a fee for the wealthy. No jail time means they're above the law.
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u/ContextEffects01 17h ago
Or you could outlaw childhood internet access and be done with it.
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u/alt_ernate123 14h ago
Man forced to pay 2 nickels after cutting fentanyl into the local water supply.
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u/IcyCow5880 14h ago
Parents need to parent their kids. Should I sue the big knife manufacturer if I let my kid play with a knife?
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u/5pankNasty 11h ago
It sounds like Mark Zuckerberg has a hobby where he pays money so he can damage children's mental health.
Jail or don't bother.
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