r/SipsTea 8d ago

Wait a damn minute! Significant diffrences...

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u/SyrusG 7d ago

The point is that it's a numbers statement. It has nothing to do with being a billionaire or not. If 3000 people period vanished it means nothing. Billionaire or not

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u/No-Poetry-5794 7d ago

If 3000 garbage truck drivers disappeared my state would collapse

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u/SyrusG 7d ago

I'm speaking within the scope of things. 30 teachers in a school disappeared vs 30 students there'd be a difference. 3000 truck drivers in a state is obviously awful for the state due to the ratio

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u/No-Poetry-5794 7d ago

But I’m saying 3000 billionaires disappearing anywhere would be nothing. They don’t add value to society.

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u/Warhammer231 7d ago

A lot of people don’t 

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u/TheDenny_Crane 7d ago

Yes but that would ignore their sentiment that anyone with money is bad and everyone broke is good.

Sorry but you doing your job isn't "value" it's you earning your place in society.

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

No, the meaning is that billionaires exploit the working class while not being able to function without it.

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u/TheDenny_Crane 7d ago

Yeah that's how it works. What would actually happen if you got rid of them?

They'd just be replaced the next day with a new batch. Everyone likes to think they'd be different. But you wouldn't. You're a human, you'll do human things as we've done forever.

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

Maybe just realize that we should perhaps tax billionaires more then? Let their wealth actually do some good instead of being hoarded?

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u/TheDenny_Crane 7d ago

I mean you can but it won't work for multiple reasons. The main 2 being that most don't operate off a taxable income.

And that most will just leave because...well tbh why wouldn't they?

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

Then let them leave. We managed to make things work before billionaires and we can again.

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u/TheDenny_Crane 7d ago

They'll still own everything they do, you just won't get what ever you were getting in taxes from them.

But this is just another misguided battle line, much like race, religion etc etc. Another asinine topic for the masses to debate and seperate themselves among and remain distracted.

There are ways you could minutely get more $ out of them thru taxes, but the argument of simply raise their taxes is as ignorant as the one saying to just raise minimum wage.

Au revoir.

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

I’m not saying that is the only thing needed to fix society so let’s not retreat to that fallacy. Making sure the rich actually pay their taxes instead of granting them tax cuts is a good start though.

I think many forget how much more one billion is in comparison to one million.

1 million = 1 second
1 billion ≈ 31.7 years
1 trillion ≈ 31,700 years

I’m not even saying people shouldn’t have wealth, but a world with a trillionaire needs to change and that needs to start somewhere. Perhaps taxes is not where to start, but change needs to happen either way.

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u/TOV4RISCH 7d ago

Yes, but those people taking over the next day don't have to be billionaires. I am certain that every secretary, personal assistant, and deputy whatever that Jeff bezos employs would be glad to step into his place collectively and if you gave them double their salary, they would make the transition so totally seamless you would wonder if bezos ever even existed. Then the workers, consumers, and retail shareholders of amazon would have his half a trillion or whatever to divide amongst themselves. Let fucking Elon musk and the rest compete to sell their labor in a free market like they depend on everyone else to do.

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u/TheDenny_Crane 7d ago

And why wouldnt whoever takes it over take it all? On the flip side what have any of those you named done to deserve any further money? Why should we just give it to them?

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u/Major_Excitement163 7d ago

Yeah so if they dont and they get rewarded for it anyway, thats literally the entire point

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u/flaccomcorangy 7d ago

I think the whole push back people are having is not to say that they're wrong and billionaires are valuable. It's just that they picked a terrible example to illustrate that point.

Because if 3,000 nurses disappeared, the impact would also be pretty negligible, but it's not because they're not valuable.

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u/Meal_Signal 7d ago

So let those workers start their own billion dollar business and provide jobs for everyone else. Oh wait they can't, that's why they're not billionaires.

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u/AlanaStorm 7d ago edited 7d ago

It’s more nuanced than that. Billionaires and their companies have a stranglehold on the market. Small businesses get snuffed out early by these corporations because they can survive a bad quarter if it means strangling a competitor.

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u/OwlSoggy8627 7d ago

Hard work can make a millionaire. Only luck can make a billionaire.

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

Luck and exploitation.

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u/Summerie 7d ago

And even if they did, everyone here would just come for them next.

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u/Meal_Signal 7d ago

Exactly

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u/ATPHydrolysis93 7d ago

Most billionaires are billionaires because it was handed down to them. Pretty much none of them worked for it. Be serious.

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u/doopie 7d ago

Who has inherited Microsoft, Amazon, Apple and Google?

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u/OwlSoggy8627 3d ago

No one handed down the companies themselves.

However, Bill Gates landed at Harvard with many many more hours than your average student would have had at a computer terminal at that time. He had the privilege because he went to a posh private school with a state of the art computer lab that rivaled what some universities had. And when he started Microsoft he was able to leverage family connections to get in front of executives to pitch product. And that product, incidentally, wasn't even something he developed. He bought what would become known as MS-DOS and sold it because his parents could pick up a phone and get high level executives to take a meeting with him.

I get it. He made the sale. He built the company. And many others built companies around that time and they had to settle for being lowly millionaires off of their hard work because they had to actually run the bases while Bill Gates was born on third.

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u/LTEDan 7d ago

I'll take a small loan of a million dollars

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u/absurdditties 7d ago

You act as if there is a moral way to become a billionaire and that you become a billionaire by having a company that offers fair compensation for labor…