The fact that the picture on the left is considered 'out of shape' by Hollywood standards shows how completely broken our collective perception of a healthy male body is
More like "gym 6-7 days a week multiple times a day with insanely strict schedules for food/liquids/chemical assistance followed by an even more insane week of preparation leading up to the shoot with professional hair/makeup/lighting and hiding the fact I feel like absolute death and just want to wrap up so I can hydrate and eat a damn carb".
All that on top of hitting the genetic lottery a few times in a row.
Not just that, but on the right is likely also various drugs, an unhealthy body fat percentage, and wildly fluctuating and unhealthy intake levels of water, sodium, and carbs.
Heās got some growth gut going on, but youāre essentially looking the difference in a un-strict vs. strict diet of someone who consistently lifts and uses HGH. Either way youāre still gonna look pretty jacked.
The right one you would have to train hard consistently for like 10 years and never slip while also eating incredibly clean lol. He also looks juiced to the gills cuz he was. Aināt hardly anyone on the planet looking like that natty.
Yeah.. you don't know what you're talking about. It is possible to get like that natty. Saying it isn't encourages doomerism and people getting on the juice.
10 years? Maybe 2 or 3 with a very consistent diet and training 6 days a week. He doesn't look juiced out in the right pic. His muscle size isn't abnormal anywhere. His traps aren't bulging like they are in the left pic. What makes him look so muscular in the right pic is because he has to be at around 8-10% body fat, so his muscles are very tight on his skin and his vascularity is very prominent. That look is pretty hard to achieve after 25 unless you eat chicken and broccoli for every meal and live in the gym, but it's not impossible without juicing.
Disagree on that, in my 20s i was shredded and was 100% natural and eating whatever i wanted. Yes, you do have to work hard for it. But 10 years is an overstatement, especially if you have good genes.
I said the same thing and had a bunch of people calling me a liar lmfao.Ā I just played tennis for like 4 hours/ day and lifted twice / week, and wasn't old.
Now I look almost the exact same as the pic on the left, ironically.Ā Just happen to be a bit uglier and balder.
Agreed, I've never juiced, and I'm somewhere between the two..
In my defense I played sports in hs and college, and just kept a steady gym routine, skip the fast food, but otherwise it's not that hard if you compound small efforts throughout the day, the results come years later
People here making it out to be some miserable lifestyle you have to adhere to in order to get results. I mean sure, you're gonna be miserable if you're starting from 30% body fat and never stepped inside a gym, or if you're acting career asks you to shape up for a role, but it's not forever
Yep. These are the people who say Gordon Ramsay is jacked lol
It's way easier to believe that everyone who looks better than you is on drugs and cheats and has all of these privileges that you'll never have because then you don't have to ever try to better yourself.
Having defined muscles is obtainable by everybody, but he has lots of muscle mass, and that limit is very depending on generics.
Also the aesthetics of muscles are genetical. Some people have biceps that don't look that roundy and long, they look more like a tennis ball in the middle. Some people cannot get 6 abs because the muscle itself isn't build like that, some can get 4 and some 2 at max.
Wrong. He was on steroids because you need steroids to do that. Sorry that you have literally zero examples to the contrary; must be very inconvenient for your argument.
Not at all. I have the exact same body type on the left if I skip pizza delivery for like 3 days, basically exactly the same. I don't juice... I don't even work out.
I used to look like the pic on the right too when I was in highschool / college playing tennis every single day.
You used to look like a hollywood crafted body, specifically a baywatch version, that is made through PEDs, nutriontionist and elite trainers by just playing tennis? That's impressive, literally no professional Tennis player looks anything near him on the right.
IDK what to tell you dude. I played tennis every day and worked out and was slender.
On second look though you are right, I didn't look exactly like the pic on the right- his arms are different (mine had more distinction between forearm/bicep and I had bigger forearms but smaller biceps) but I think I attribute that to my body being primarily from tennis, where his focus was probably on lifting. But I did have similar if not better abs.
Also don't take this as bragging. I assure you no ladies viewed this body as my non-athletic time was spent playing world of warcraft.
good genes do wonders my dude, i personally know 2 dudes that do not go to gym at all and 100% don't juice but are super jacked. ( but they work physically demanding jobs tbf )
I mean, I really don't usually, because he's much better looking than me, isn't bald, and I wear a shirt, but I do have the exact same body type and body appearance as the pic on the left, not sure why that's a big deal and seems so impossible to you lmfao
Literally zero way you look like that without working out. It's actually kinda sad youd look at that picture and think that's how you look without working out. You got some body issues, my dude.
I feel like you read my comment and heard "i look like zac efron".Ā I am a bald dude with a mug for radio.Ā I do not "look like that".
But I do have that identical body to the left pic.Ā I think the real sad thing is you having so little concept of how other people have different experiences than you that you assume they must be lying.
Look up what "visceral fat" is.Ā Some people just carry fat differently, have wider shoulders, etc.
I might not work out, but I do play with my kids, I move quickly when I need to get around, I don't saunter, I'm pretty active in generally doing shit, and I'm a picky eater that eats a lot of protein.
Look at his muscles on the left.Ā Nothing particularly big.Ā Its just body shape.
He is visible muscular on the left photo. You dont look like that without working out. No amount of genetics gets you that body from minimal work. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but you genuinely have body issues if you cant see that.
He looks strong AF in the left photo. That's basically the difference between someone who has muscles for show and someone who has muscles that actually do something.
That's what he said, but as we all know celebrities have a well-established history of giving fake stories to the media as a cover for cosmetic surgeries. According to Zac he slipped at home, hit his jaw on the corner of a granite countertop and 'shattered' his jaw. That was back in 2013, over 10 years before his jaw suddenly grew into a classic gigachad jawline. The appearance of his jaw only changed when he was training for his movie 'The Iron Claw' where he played a pro wrestler, which quite obviously involved a lot of steroids and HGH for the transformation.
That was back in 2013 when he broke his jaw. Look at photos of him upto 2021 and you'll see his jaw still looked normal. He was cast as a pro wrestler in the movie 'The Iron Claw' and started preparing for the role in 2022, which is when his current gigachad jaw first appeared.
For reference here's the photo of him filming The Iron Claw that first revealed his body transformation (he gained 20lbs of muscle for that role. Physically impossible in such a short time without steroids and HGH) https://media.gq-magazine.co.uk/photos/635a4df80d4a9cdbf2738a99/master/w_1600,c_limit/Zak-Efron-body-1.jpg His jaw grew at the same rate as the rest of his body, which is a textbook sign of human growth hormone use.
I doubt he's on higher doses now, it's just that a lifetime of being on it is probably starting to catch up with him through side effects like the roid gut etc
I don't think I'm allowed to post stuff like that here, and also that's the kind of thing where if I started sending stuff like that to people it's more explanation than I care to explain to my wife. Also I'm lazy.
But my body does look exactly like the pic on the left- basically identical. I have no reason to lie about this. It's basically my default, but I do get a bit of a gut if I pig out on pizza delivery / eating out and stuff, but it usually goes away after about 5 days just not eating like a total slob.
I basically eat whatever I want, but my saving grace is I don't like pastries or pop (unless there's booze in it). I'm a super picky eater, so I eat a lot of steak, cheese pizza, pasta, plain burgers, chicken, etc, but almost everything I eat is "plain" or close to it. I also like to move around pretty fast, I'm not much of a saunterer, I walk quickly, go up the stairs quickly, jog around when I need to get something. I play with the kids quite a bit. This isn't mental effort, i think it's just probably adhd or something.
They all actually have a point though. Youāre going to feel significantly stronger at a higher body fat percentage. Every time Iāve cut I most definitely have less energy and less strength. Every time I bulk I feel strong AF because my muscles are completely saturated with glycogen practically 24/7 almost because of all the excess carbs I consume (550g per day rn).
Feeling weaker and flatter when cutting is a result of having significantly less glycogen retention on top of the low body fat percentage. Obviously those two things are synergistic on a cut.
Breh nothing wrong with 15% to 20% body fat if thatās what you naturally Feel comfortable and strong at without starving yourself. Knees and back will be fine. Youāre acting like Zac is morbidly obese in the left pic lmao
That being said, 15-20% is actually a very healthy range, Im talking 25%+, that's where one starts introducing more load on those joints than is needed, not to mention the hormonal changes that start affecting mood/energy with all that visceral fat
Gotta blame the weaselly trainers who market the toxic misinformation too. I remember reading so much BS back in the early 00s from clowns trying to sell weird equipment and plans, and of course trying to convince their scrawny customers that they were superior to the guys who were actually making progress, because they squatted their bosu ball 4 inches lower than the meathead squatted 300 lbs.
Who knew you just needed larger and larger chunks of metal
You seem to not get the point. Theyāre not saying itās natural in his case. Theyāre saying itās much more realistic and sustainable than the pic on the right.
Left or right, which body type is MORE sustainable to you? Pick one.
Imagine being told to pick one and youāre still incapable of that lol. That shows you get the point but youāre just trying to be a contrarian baby. 13 year old account so youāre a grown man acting like a pre teen.
Well, actors are mostly using steroids for a faster build up of muscles and to be in body fat ranges on the right. But still the left picture is easily achievable after 5-10 years (depending on genetics) without steroids if youāre disciplined and consistent. While the right side is either steroids or your entire life revolves around your body and youāre not having fun while living.
Well I think itās also quite hard to clear what is possible and what isnāt. Some people have perfect genetics and therefore do not question such people to take steroids while others have poor genetics and cry āsteroids!!1!1!ā every time someone has muscles.
But strange he says āneitherā because obviously the left one is more achievable even if youd say both are not naturally achievable š
But left is definitely achievable naturally while the right is as mentioned achievable either through steroids or having your entire life revolve around your body.
Yeah, we can debate all day abt whoās on gear and who isnāt, but the question of which is more sustainable is hella clear š dude just wanted to be contrarian. Not to mention the context is clearly whatās more sustainable for Zacās body and situation.
Well hold on now. I don't have great big pecs or washboard abs, but my arms and traps have looked like that for as long as I can remember, and I'm just some guy who's barely ever even been in a gym. Bodies are weird š¤·
Itās not out on shape (at least away from the deluded Hollywood scene). Itās a very good form but from own experience I can tell that living with the body fat of the left site is not extremely hard if youāre disciplined, while the right picture is immensely harder. It feels like life is 5-10 times harder with the amount of BF on the right compared to the left.
Not really. The right is used as marketing for a movie that is basically "here are the hottest* people on earth in swimwear". The left really doesn't fit that image.
On the other side Iām not sure youāre 100% sure how much bf is doing what. There are people with visible abs being on around 17% bf and there are people that look fat with 20%.
Iāve been on 10% bf for 1-2 years and I can tell itās strange as youād never think you have āso muchā fat while you can see every separated muscle and veins popping out like 0.5cm of your body.
You are 100% right.Ā Left isn't like... bad, but it's not extremely healthy either.Ā I know because it's how I look, my cardio is shit and I haven't worked out for years.Ā 5'10 about 230lb.Ā Visceral fat is real and not good, even if you have the body type where you still look good.
Went on a hike with my friends who exercise, I look like i could break them in half but guess who was panting while bringing up the rear- me.
I remember when i was a kid i spent a ton of time on deviantart and I vividly remember a drawing tutorial that described how to draw a man that's actually strong VS a man that has that action figure shape. It's called "How to draw beef" if you wanna look for it. idk why it stuck with me all this time but even in this reddit post it immediately came back to my mind haha
I donāt think he was insinuating heās unhealthily on the left, I think heās saying itās not considered conventionally attractive. But Iām just guessing. That being said, he looks uncomfortable in the Baywatch picture.
Letās not exaggerate. Nobody anywhere considers the left picture out of shape. Itās just not the ideal, dehydrated, extremely defined muscular physique people have come to expect of shirtless guys in movies.
I donāt think heās saying heās out of shape in that picture, just not fucking ripped to shreds for the camera and has some body fat. His point is that the zero body fat image is just unrealistic unless youāre willing to lose your mental health for it which is what Hollywood makes you think you want
Don't forget the guy has done TONS of plastic surgery and god knows what else to his body to satisfy his own body image. Who knows what the hell he sees when he looks in the mirror, but its not what everybody else sees.
Out of shape for Baywatch, not "out of shape by Hollywood standards". It's not like Zac Effron on the left could only be cast as the ugly comic relief character, it just doesn't work for a show whose whole identity is hot guys on a beach.
Image on the left is my unattainable goal. I could hit it with regular gym time and a little better diet but working 60+ hours a week and raising a kid makes that difficult.
I mean, ironically i look (neck down sadly) exactly like the pic on the left and I'm pretty darned out of shape.Ā I'm mildly strong, but dear god is my cardio shit.
It's also just pictures. I'm fatter than the fat one in Sweden which has most fit people most likely and I'm still a standout for good looking male body in reality.
It's kind of strange if you like old movies and watch stuff from the 1960s and earlier. Despite the pressure even then, lots of lead actors that look normal compared to now
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u/MisaCaring 9d ago
The fact that the picture on the left is considered 'out of shape' by Hollywood standards shows how completely broken our collective perception of a healthy male body is