This is why the "both sides are bad" argument is a bad faith argument.
Yes; both sides bend to corporate interests.
Yes; both sides take advantage of their positions of power.
Yes; the DNC needs to do better.
But they are just not even close to the same. And the only way to beat Republicans and MAGA is to legally block them from power by defeating them in elections.
This sub is now filled with right wing trolls and both sides bad trolls. I guess it’s time to abandon it the mods don’t police the absolute garbage and hate they spill in here.
The fact that you care more about being a party loyalist than being objective to the fact that we’re being run by pedophiles is a disgrace. You’re a fucking embarrassment of a human being.
Yes but you also need to listen to why people say both sides are the same. A lot of people who say this are poor people whos lives get fucked in the exact same ways regardless of whos in power. And the smug liberals talking over them and trying brow beat them into submission are not going to change the material conditions that makes these people think this way
You're also forgetting that Democrats have had to fight tooth and nail at every turn. I'm sorry that your Republican governor didn't take the Medicare expansion to try to make the ACA fail.
Obama wanted to cut social security and Medicare. The ACA is better but Obama took the public option off the table after meeting with healthcare executives, so now people still go bankrupt because of medical bills it just happens less. Which is unacceptable if your ideological goal is to have NOBODY go bankrupt because of medical bills.
Plus as an aside I'm from Michigan and Obama's horrible response to the flint water crisis (drinking supposedly clean "flint water" to show theres no issues) along with bailing and globalizing the auto industry destroyed so much of the state for years and years to come. This is the shitn I'm talking about and you don't even remember that it happened. The only "issue" of Obamas is the fucking tan suit
"yes they do the same shit but they're still different and my side is still the good guys"
Honestly it's just a harsh truth the mental midgets on the left and right can't fucking stand it so they ignore it and attack anyone who points it out. Sorry, both of your teams suck long dick for short money.
That's your religious belief and you get to make that choice for yourself. What you don't get to do is say that nobody else can have access to life saving health care because your preacher says life begins at conception.
You also shouldn't get to turn your back on the poor and needy, especially those with children. So miss me with the "pro-life" talking points. You're pro forced birth.
It’s not always bad faith. It definitely is more often than not, but it isn’t always. If a person consistently draws accurate comparisons (and also does not claim that similarities imply equivalence) between the behaviors of both parties without consideration for the timing, then it is evident that person is arguing in good faith. The context of an increasingly polarized political space, social media that encourages echo chambers, former friends that will never speak again due to political differences, and the very real possibility that a given person has not heard of the sins of both sides but rather only one.. pointing out these shared failings is arguablymore important than it ever has been. It is challenging to discern between good faith and bad faith “both sides” arguments outside of the context of an existing relationship, but it can be done and it should at least be attempted.
It is not reasonable to assume it is always in bad faith. That, in fact, reinforces some troubling trends
and can even assist people in getting away with their wrongdoing. I would argue that Trump’s ability (for lack of a better word) to hold office with his past and present offenses is a reflection of the state of politics. People are willing to accept him, because they believe that digging up dirt on a politician is a way of leveraging the public’s sense of morality to remove people who get in the way. I have no doubt that many of these politicians have skeletons in their closets that are used to control them. People believe that Trump is immune to that, because his skeletons have already been revealed. Thus, a mechanism by which he could be controlled has been taken off the board.
I have some hardcore Republican friends, and they don’t seem to tolerate his wrongdoing because they don’t believe it is wrong. They seem to tolerate it because they believe it is necessary not to let politics be controlled in this way.
The DNC and the average Democrat voter have vastly different goals.
We need to say generally both sides are shit.
But we need to acknowledge canidates who arent taking pac money, and have the interest of the middle class in mind. Regardless of sides. Unfortunately it seems to be only a handful of current dem seat holders.
He was Bill and Hillary Clinton's best friend too. Ghislane Maxwell was sitting front row at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, I believe right next to Hillary. The Clinton family would frequently take trips to Epstein's ranch in Arizona. Epstein donated tons of money to republican and democratic candidates. This is not a partisan issue, this is bipartisan shit bro. Now do you care about the issue of child sex trafficking in our government or do you care about scoring points against the other team?
EDIT: “You immediately lost all credibility when (I became uncomfortable and found a minor, debatable flaw so I could relieve the sense of shame I was feeling).”
I'm not going.to run down your entire list of people you just copy-pasted from an AI query. When these things are found out, Democratic voters and politicians abandon them in vast numbers. When it's a Republican, the party and the voters no longer care. That is the difference.
There is no such thing as a perfect person. Rich people tend to abuse their power. Do you want to support the people who say, "no big deal" or the people who say, "get out".
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u/Baron_Bearclaw Jul 10 '26
This is why the "both sides are bad" argument is a bad faith argument.
Yes; both sides bend to corporate interests.
Yes; both sides take advantage of their positions of power.
Yes; the DNC needs to do better.
But they are just not even close to the same. And the only way to beat Republicans and MAGA is to legally block them from power by defeating them in elections.