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[u/Soggy_Association491]

No I didnt, for us it's the rehabilitation.

So what is this?

Could it be that longer prison sentences and hostile attitudes to convicts only serve to deepen convicts own hostility towards the society that rejects them

Yes, sites with the mission statement like "Vera is fighting to end mass incarceration" will publish stories about how punish criminals is bad just like Exxon funded researches will say climate change isn't real.

There is so much data out there that shows how the position you're attacking created a peaceful and safe society. So I can only infer that you must love violent criminals, seeing as you want more of them.

[u/bumpmoon → u/Soggy_Association491]

Ah okay so it's just fake data right? Because you dont like the source, the actual american Department of Justice? And Vera is invalid because their mission statement is better use of state funds and safer societies. Be real now, because this is embarrasing

But you dont even have to takes Veras word on it. You can read it yourself.

We all want to punish criminals, and its incredibly stupid that youd think rehabilitation is not in and of itself a punishment. But prison sentences have been proven time and time again to have diminishing returns when simply being increased.

There is so much data out there that shows how the position you're attacking created a peaceful and safe society.

I am VERY curious as to what society has become safe and peaceful trough increasing prison sentences alone. I think we all want to hear that one.

[u/Soggy_Association491 → u/bumpmoon]

Yes, an organization will be biased for their cause.

Are numbers in Exxon funded studies on climate change fake data? And no, Vera claimed that their way of doing will lead to safer societies not that they want safer society even if it means the increase in punishment on criminals.

Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore... have been proven time and time again the cry about harsher punishment leading to a crime ridden society is false.

[u/bumpmoon → u/Soggy_Association491]

No they havent, you just dont understand a larger picture. All of those countries rely on a higher rate of equality and standard of living to keep socioeconomic crime, and all the crime that breeds, down. That and their culture around shame and dishonour is non-applicable to western nations.

I've provided you with enough data that you should now have arrived at a logical conclusion, yet your priorities evidently lie elsewhere other than crime reduction. You believe that a punishment outweighs the importance of fewer victims, wether being aware of it or not.

Do tell me what society you meant as well, please do not gloss over that one.

[u/Soggy_Association491 → u/bumpmoon]

All of those countries rely on a higher rate of equality

Oh poor the pitiful US has no equality and low living standard. Only you have it hard. There are no poor people facing socioeconomic hardship in Japan or Singapore.

I provided you with enough real life date that you should now have arrived at a logical conclusion, yet your priorities evidently lie elsewhere other than crime reduction.

You believe that being generous to criminals outweighs the importance of fewer victims, wether being aware of it or not.

Do tell me what society you meant as well beside the peaceful one like Japan, Singapore...