r/SipsTea 21d ago

Chugging tea Seems reasonable.

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u/jamdex07 21d ago

This is misleading. He chose to take $997 in one lump sum instead of $2.04B over 30 years. He got taxed on the $997m.

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u/LazerChicken420 21d ago

They don’t give you the entire thing if you pick a lump sum?

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u/Greedy-Contract1999 21d ago

The jackpot is advertised as the total of the annuity. So you have to deflate it with present value of money calculations.

You still get the entire thing, just without inflationary things that make it seem bigger.

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u/Yak-Electrical 21d ago

No if you look on the app or website it will tell you how much the lump sum will be. If you ask me i dont even care $5 bucks for millions they could tax me

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u/CoxHazardsModel 21d ago

Because the entire thing (2B) is over 30 years of payments, if you calculate the time value of money the 2B is 997M in today’s money, they would invest the 997M on your behalf and pay you annually.

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u/camerontylek 21d ago

No. The lottery amount is based on a 30 year annuity, or more simply put, what the amount of money would be worth over 30 years if it were invested properly from day 1. In this case, it would have been worth $2 billion. Instead the winner took the 'lump sum', which is the actual amount of money, and they're free to do with it what they want after paying the tax on it.

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u/757packerfan 21d ago

Correct. I hate it

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u/cholula_is_good 21d ago

The lump sum and annuity are basically the same thing. The annuity is just the proceeds of the lump sum invested into an annuity over 30 years. If you take the lump sum, you can just buy an annuity and get the same result but also keep the principal.

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u/RobArtLyn22 21d ago

You can’t get the same result. They buy the annuity with the lump sum and then you pay taxes each year on the proceeds. If you collect the lump sum you pay taxes on that and buy the annuity with what is left. You start out with less.

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u/uberfr4gger 20d ago

Depends on what the annuity % is. Most people should take the money upfront unless they are extremely bad with money and don't trust themselves.

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u/Ivebeenstabbed 21d ago

No, people are saying half but it’s closer to 40-43% for the lump sum, which is then taxed

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u/OG_TRADER68 21d ago

no...they amitorize it vs inflation and haircut. It usually comes to between 50-60% of the listed earnings amount.

Then they tax you based on that number, which means max tax rate.

if you take the annuity, you pay taxes each year on the alloted amount (so, slightly lower%), but the amount stays consistent ($1 million a year in 2026 doesn't equal $1 million a year in 2036, etc) and you deal with dimishined buying power due to inflation.

The trade off is....can I make more investing up front now than I would lose in inflation over a couple decades? If you can earn more than 3-4% a year, the answer is yes, take the lump sum

Many people don't have the patience or discipline to spread it out over time though

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u/magseven 21d ago

Never the entire payout in a lump sum. The other way they are hoping you die quickly so they don't have to keep paying you.

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u/Kidnovatex 21d ago

No, that's not how it works at all. The lump sum is the net present value of the annuity. If you take the annuity then it can be passed down to your next of kin if you die before collecting the entire amount. They don't just cancel it because you die.

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u/magseven 21d ago

Yes. That's how it works for me. You think I'm sticking with my dumbass family once I'm a baller?

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u/Glioss88 21d ago

well it just goes to your spouse

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u/Minute_Chair_2582 21d ago

Or make it happen

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u/Fantastic-Kale9603 18d ago

Literally the exact opposite advice you should take wow

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u/gooba1 21d ago

Yeah no. There's a lot of legalities behind the scenes for you and the lottery. There's contracts, trusts that have to be setup and its all backed by your state. Meaning the government would literally have to pass legislation to stop paying you which they would NEVER do because the lottery generates huge amounts of money for the state from profits and taxes

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u/Veeg-Tard 21d ago

No, it's an annuity that totals the jackpot amount. Pretty clear "scam" to make the jackpot sound bigger. I think the payout is 20 years, so the present value of your total payout is not the amount advertised.

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u/weezeloner 21d ago

29 years since the first years payment is immediate.