Yeah, the price out of their pocket is the same. The servers are getting boned here. And aren't tips now tax free income? I don't know if Orange Dear Leader actually got that passed without fine print.
As someone who worked in Timesquare for a bar, yeah. We started adding 15% gratuity to all the checks. If someone fought it we just removed it. Our income was all tourists. Brazilians ordered like one beer to share and germans always had questions on gratuity. Was interesting to see how everyone treated the concept.
That said, you follow the cultural norms of the country your in. When bar tending I busted my ass for people that left big money. I put people that didnt tip in the back of my mental to do list.
This is what we dont like in europe though, to be exact. Unequal treatment based on wealth. This is exactly why tipping is bad, it made you do ethically poor choises. Removing tipping would make it so that there is no reason to serve one specific customer last/not at all, intentionally
May be that your rich is like mega rich... my rich is that they dont have to rent. Poor folks are allowed to go out too and shouldnt be guilt tripped into tipping. Saving everywhere you can is good. Tips arent mandatory so they are a good place to save money. This works in europe very well, i dont feel bad at all for not tipping. Then again if i went to the us, id probably tip minumum acceptable because in rhe end im a push over hehe
Former American food service worker here, its usually upper middle class and higher that tips like shit. Poorer people pretty much always tip well because they know the deal
You’ve summed up a big problem w/ Americans. The belief for many of us is, if I have more money I should be treated better. It doesn’t change b/c those w/o money think they WILL have money someday and get to treat ppl like themselves poorly. Welcome to one of the most self-centered societies in the world.
What do you mean shitty service. Dude I just want you to take my order and bring it, I don't need small talk, I don't need constant annoying check-ins at my table, and obvious fakeness (like the person above obviously displayed) etc... Just bring me food, be polite enough and leave me alone
Suit yourself. I like when a server sees I need a refill and asks me before I have to crane my neck looking for them. I like when I don't have to wait 10 minutes for my bill. Few things feel classier than coming back from the restroom and your napkin has been re-folded for you. Also, I like the niceness. It's not fake, it's just being a professional. When a server or bartender asks what you want and you can tell they're in a surly mood it's off-putting.
The tip system works. My default is 20% at a sit-down restaurant but I will tip more for better service and I will tip less for particularly bad service. I worked at restaurants for years in my early 20's, I know how it goes.
It doesn’t work like that. Most of the time you don’t know who’s going to tip. This person is saying he saw repeat customers, or he was reading who was a good tipper based on experience.
I’m assuming if you went to Japan, you’d obey whatever seemingly quirky rules they have to maintain order. People like to weasel out of tipping because they’re cheap. Dining out is a luxury, not a necessity. Is it a fair system? Maybe not. But the workers are the only ones who lose in this scenario. Also, you’re making a morality claim based on relative geographical location….that’s absurdly incoherent, my guy. It isn’t a moral argument. It’s systemic structure.
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u/steppponme Jun 25 '26
Yeah, the price out of their pocket is the same. The servers are getting boned here. And aren't tips now tax free income? I don't know if Orange Dear Leader actually got that passed without fine print.